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Cont: President Trump: Part 3

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Argumemnon said:
Because it's the current situation, and as I said those require compromise. The only alternative is for everyone to line isolated from others.
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That sounds like saying navigating the status quo requires compromise. That is different than the status up is a compromise.
 
BobTheCoward said:
That sounds like saying navigating the status quo requires compromise. That is different than the status up is a compromise.
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I want all the sweets

You want all the sweets

We have half the sweets each.

This situation is a compromise


0/10 for crap pedantry.
 
3point14 said:
I want all the sweets

You want all the sweets

We have half the sweets each.

This situation is a compromise


0/10 for crap pedantry.
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an agreement or a settlement of a dispute that is reached by each side making concessions.

There is no agreements or settlements in the situation you describe. We might not even know each other. Not a compromise.
 
3point14 said:
The one thing that united them was a black man in the white house.
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Amen. This is the president who, according to the alt-right, left the US more racially divided than ever due to who-knows-what and whatever. And how dare(!!) a black man understand complicated health care, when a decent crook - I mean, rich white man with lawyers - cannot, and has to wave a white flag? Scandalous uppity blacks!
 
Hlafordlaes said:
Amen. This is the president who, according to the alt-right, left the US more racially divided than ever due to who-knows-what and whatever. And how dare(!!) a black man understand complicated health care, when a decent crook - I mean, rich white man with lawyers - cannot, and has to wave a white flag? Scandalous uppity blacks!
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Well, of course the "alt-right" would say that, they're just rebranded white nationalists.

The real problem is more about the anti-government conservatives somehow being elected to congress, which is like someone who doesn't believe in chemotherapy becoming a chemotherapist. They're simply remarkably poor choices for any elected position. As long as the GOP simply relied on total opposition regardless of the offer, these divisions could be papered over. But now that they actually have to do something, and given that Obama's domestic agenda was remarkably successful anyway, they're stuck. They can't work together, they all refuse to work with dems, and until something changes, they're screwed.

And it's all their own fault.
 
BobTheCoward said:
an agreement or a settlement of a dispute that is reached by each side making concessions.

There is no agreements or settlements in the situation you describe. We might not even know each other. Not a compromise.
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You really want me to start the whole thing again with

We know each other

We are both human beings

We are both on earth

We both want all the sweets



etc.


I take it back, you can have 1/10 for the last bit, just so I can reserve the 0/10 for:

"We might not even know each other"



Tell me, do you read every single post with the most prevalent thought in your head being "How can I disagree with this?"
 
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3point14 said:
You really want me to start the whole thing again with

We know each other

We are both human beings

We are both on earth

We both want all the sweets



etc.


I take it back, you can have 1/10 for the last bit, just so I can reserve the 0/10 for:

"We might not even know each other"



Tell me, do you read every single post with the most prevalent thought in your head being "How can I disagree with this?"
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We have no agreement or settlement between us.

If it is a problem for you, don't put such a massive issue in your post.
 
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Argumemnon said:
Fine, then. Look up the word "compromise". A compromise becomes statu quo. It's still a compromise.
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I did. It requires an agreement or settlement between parties. Simply living under the status quo as someone not part of the agreement is not a compromise.
 
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BobTheCoward said:
I did. It requires an agreement or settlement between parties. Simply living under the status quo as someone not part of the agreement is not a compromise.
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And that's not what I said. The agreement itself is a compromise. Living under it means you're living that compromise, whether you agree with it or not.
 
Lurch said:
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It isn't off topic. It is fundamental to the debate. If compromise is an issue, we need to establish what is the value of existing situation as a previous compromise and how that influences the process of decision making.
 
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Argumemnon said:
The statu quo results from a compromise.

Stop playing with words.
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I don't think Bob is playing with words.

Regardless of the process that got to the status quo, if the negotiations are such that one side can walk away from the negotiations and nothing will change, then the status quo need not be a compromise.
 
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