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Prediction thread: What will the U.S. gov't do that most resembles the Third Reich?

Hercules56 said:
Tens of thousands in 2019.
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Not quite tens of thousands.

According to Homeland Security, 17,852 people were removed from the US to Europe in 2019.

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Table 40. Aliens Returned by Region and Country of Nationality: Fiscal Years 2017 to 2019

This 2019 Yearbook of Immigration Statistics data table displays data about noncitizens returned between fiscal years 2017 and 2019. It includes breakouts by region and country of nationality.
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A proportion of those people will have been removed for reasons other than just their immigration status (for example their criminal status) and not all of those people will have been white. Perhaps it's me being overly picky but to me "tens of thousands" means many tens of thousands not an unknown number less than 18,000.
 
Norman Alexander said:
How many white Europeans have been deported as illegals?
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I have no idea, but since you made the claim that the answer is zero it's entirely on you to prove it.

Until you provide evidence, my skepticism remains warranted.

The Don said:
According to Homeland Security, 17,852 people were removed from the US to Europe in 2019.
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It is surely beneficent of you to do Norman's homework. Eventually the 2025 numbers will come out.
 
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Stacyhs said:
Trump will continue to spread his propaganda by using the media.
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Is there another way to spread it?

More saliently, though, how is that remotely unique to Nazis or fascists? Every democratic government tries to convince the people that they are getting what they asked for; every authoritarian government lies to them. If you're not seeing any propaganda (one way or the other) then you're off the grid.
 
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d4m10n said:
Is there another way to spread it?

More saliently, though, how is that remotely unique to Nazis or fascists? Every democratic government tries to convince the people that they are getting what they asked for; every authoritarian government lies to them. If you're not seeing any propaganda (one way or the other) then you're off the grid.
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The media in democratic countries is not controlled by the government. Trump is attempting to restrict what can and can't be reported just like Hitler and Mussolini.

1. "Before taking office, Trump sued ABC News, CBS News and a former Des Moines Register pollster over coverage. This is a new technique for a president or former president — and one getting results. ABC agreed to pay $15 million to Trump's future presidential library instead of fighting in court. CBS also appears to be heading toward settling. Hard to see how this doesn't encourage more lawsuits and entice future presidents pissed off about coverage to do the same."

2. "Trump barred AP from the Oval Office and Air Force One for refusing to use "Gulf of America" instead of "Gulf of Mexico"

3. "For decades, until Tuesday, the White House had little say in the choice of media organizations responsible for covering official actions and trips via what's known as the press pool. In response to AP's suit over access, the White House seized control of this process, formerly run by the White House Correspondents' Association."

4. "At the Pentagon, where reporters both work onsite and serve in a rotating pool that travels with the SecDef, a similar purge has unfolded. First, the Pentagon booted NBC News, the N.Y. Times, Politico and NPR from their physical workspace as part of a new "annual media rotation program" — substituting friendly outlets + HuffPost, which had no Pentagon reporter. A week later, CNN was ousted from its workspace."
 
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My bad. :love:

ETA: I wonder whether at some level I'm assigning gender based on avatar.

Trump aspires to emulate (toxic) masculinity, so when I see him I think "him."
 
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d4m10n said:
I have no idea, but since you made the claim that the answer is zero it's entirely on you to prove it.

Until you provide evidence, my skepticism remains warranted.

It is surely beneficent of you to do Norman's homework. Eventually the 2025 numbers will come out.
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Europeans =/= WHITE Europeans.

Try again.
 
I remember when W was called Hitler 25 years ago. I could never understand how one could minimize the slaughter of six million Jews during World War 2. The use of Hitler is at least 100 times worse with Trump. I have never been able to come up with words to describe this ability to trivialize the Holocaust.

Over the last 60 years, my father went from being a Republican to a right wing Republican, far right wing Republican, ultra right wing Republican, right wing conservative fundamentalist Christian, homophobe, Islamophobe, xenophobe, misogynist, racist, bigot, and finally becoming a Nazi. I guess that is progress, in a twisted sort of way. The big problem for Democrats, statists, media and academia is that after Hitler, there is nowhere else to go. And even though I am a non-voter, the same words and phrases can be used to describe me.

And not the best way to ask me to consider opposing views.
 
Norman,

You said “White Europeans are exempt from ICE roundups…” and you’ve yet to provide any evidence in support of your claim.

I’m having trouble taking any of your posts seriously here because of this sort of facile mythmaking.
 
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Walter said:
I remember when W was called Hitler 25 years ago. I could never understand how one could minimize the slaughter of six million Jews during World War 2. The use of Hitler is at least 100 times worse with Trump. I have never been able to come up with words to describe this ability to trivialize the Holocaust.

Over the last 60 years, my father went from being a Republican to a right wing Republican, far right wing Republican, ultra right wing Republican, right wing conservative fundamentalist Christian, homophobe, Islamophobe, xenophobe, misogynist, racist, bigot, and finally becoming a Nazi. I guess that is progress, in a twisted sort of way. The big problem for Democrats, statists, media and academia is that after Hitler, there is nowhere else to go. And even though I am a non-voter, the same words and phrases can be used to describe me.

And not the best way to ask me to consider opposing views.
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If calling someone a "Nazi" offends you because you think that it minimizes the horrors of the Holocaust, wait until you find out what Trump's best buddy did at the inauguration.
 
d4m10n said:
Norman,

You said “White Europeans are exempt from ICE roundups…” and you’ve yet to provide any evidence in support of your claim.

I’m having trouble taking any of your posts seriously here because of this sort of facile mythmaking.
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Ok, so how many white Europeans have been rounded up?
 
d4m10n said:
My bad. :love:

ETA: I wonder whether at some level I'm assigning gender based on avatar.

Trump aspires to emulate (toxic) masculinity, so when I see him I think "him."
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I assumed Amy Strange was a woman, so I've made the same mistake.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Ok, so how many white Europeans have been rounded up?
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When someone makes a claim, the onus is on them to support it, not the other way around. That's shifting the responsibility to the other person. You made the claim “White Europeans are exempt from ICE roundups", so it's up to you to provide evidence the evidence.
 
Most of the general stuff, like centralizing power and reducing equality. But the underlying philosophy and personal beliefs of Hitler and his people.....antisemitism, eugenics, Aryanism, concentration camps etc probably not. But there's a ton I bet Trump and his cronies would love to do but they're afraid of backlash.
 
Stacyhs said:
When someone makes a claim, the onus is on them to support it, not the other way around. That's shifting the responsibility to the other person. You made the claim “White Europeans are exempt from ICE roundups", so it's up to you to provide evidence the evidence.
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I think that's the point. According to all their publicity, ICE are all for forcibly deporting a whole lot of brown people. Yet people are conflating those with the stats for all "removals". Deportation does not necessarily mean a flashy ICE raid on a Mexican family with TV celebrities in tow.
 
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