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Prediction for the coming Eclipse:

King of the Americas said:
Yes, and many who are experienced and knowledgable about aircraft will also be baffled.

Peer for yourself, and offer your explanation for what you shall see.
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I'm having flashbacks to reviewing aircraft recognition photographs and rules to learn how to distinguish MIG-25 from F-15 from F-14 from F-111 from F-18 at various distances and attitudes.

There's quite a distance between being "knowledgeable about aircraft" (whatever that is supposed to mean) and being able to recognise any aircraft at a glance, let alone its altitude and attitude...
 
King of the Americas said:
Yes, and many who are experienced and knowledgable about aircraft will also be baffled.

Peer for yourself, and offer your explanation for what you shall see.
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No amount of experience allows you to judge the relative size or speed of something somewhere in the sky without first knowing, at least generally, what it is. That's why pilots see so many UFO's - they honestly can't identify the object without a sense of scale.
 
King of the Americas said:
I saw "star-like objects, move with a constant velocity and make right angle turns." I've never seen any craft man-made, piloted or not, are capable of the maneuvers I saw.

My only conclusion was that they were not ours.
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Or maybe they were much smaller and closer than you were assuming, in which case the maneuvers were not as remarkable as you thought.

Or maybe it's your assumption that they were objects that is mistaken, and they were actually odd reflections of lights from below.

The only thing you can say for certain is that you saw something in the sky that you could not identify. You have no basis whatsoever for drawing any conclusion about what it was you saw.
 
Well, I shan't be out watching the eclipse because we don't get it here.

I used to work with someone who spent his spare time looking at the sky, and saw many flying objects, but none remained unidentified. He was part of the Royal Observer Corps, so if he saw something unusual, he had the full resources of the MOD and other organisations to help identify it.
 
Loss Leader said:
No amount of experience allows you to judge the relative size or speed of something somewhere in the sky without first knowing, at least generally, what it is. That's why pilots see so many UFO's - they honestly can't identify the object without a sense of scale.
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Yes, I agree.

I didn't say I knew what it was.

I said I knew it what it wasn't.
 
King of the Americas said:
Evidence of my claim? You're funny.

I've been on that marry-go-round. Any evidence presented will be dismissed as fakery, forgery, an outright lies. Videos, photos, other eyewitness testimony are not evidence, here.

I saw "star-like objects, move with a constant velocity and make right angle turns." I've never seen any craft man-made, piloted or not, are capable of the maneuvers I saw.

My only conclusion was that they were not ours.
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Thanks much for the reply and I figured as much.

You saw some funny points of light at night with no references, no size information, no altitude information, no speed information, no distance information, no corroboration, and yet you are absolutely sure that these points of lights are actually highly advanced aircraft of some sort.

So in other words, you fully admit that you do not know what you are talking about and yet you fully expect everyone to accept your incredible conclusions which are based on your incredible ignorance.

This is about as bad as the time you ran for mayor and got eleven votes.
 
Loss Leader said:
No amount of experience allows you to judge the relative size or speed of something somewhere in the sky without first knowing, at least generally, what it is. That's why pilots see so many UFO's - they honestly can't identify the object without a sense of scale.
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I remember reading an account by someone who walked out onto their porch in the morning and saw a number of large silver spheres hovering high above them in the sky. Then their eyes refocused, and they realized they were looking at drops of dew on a spider web a couple feet in front of their face.
Then there was the ring-shaped UFO that was hovering over a crowded amusement park in Virginia back in 2009 (which only one person apparently managed to film). If you view the video, it bears a striking resemblance to a water droplet on a window a short distance from the camera lens.
 
King of the Americas said:
Evidence of my claim? You're funny.

I've been on that marry-go-round. Any evidence presented will be dismissed as fakery, forgery, an outright lies. Videos, photos, other eyewitness testimony are not evidence, here..
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It might be, if you lunatics could learn how to obtain decent evidence for these magical things that you blather on about...
 
Crossbow said:
Thanks much for the reply and I figured as much.

You saw some funny points of light at night with no references, no size information, no altitude information, no speed information, no distance information, no corroboration, and yet you are absolutely sure that these points of lights are actually highly advanced aircraft of some sort.

So in other words, you fully admit that you do not know what you are talking about and yet you fully expect everyone to accept your incredible conclusions which are based on your incredible ignorance.

This is about as bad as the time you ran for mayor and got eleven votes.
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Your assertions of "no" are misplaced.

I admit no such thing. Quite the contrary. I claim some knowledge about how terrestrial craft operate, how to identify various craft, and the requirements that our craft must "arch" through the air.

My training in spotting the differences between planes, satellites, weather balloons, and falling debris is not certified or enumerate through degrees, but to say I lack any ability to collect evidence and determine a UFO's origin is pure bull butter.
 
How about your credentials for identifying ancient Earth cultures that have migrated into space to play hide and seek?
 
King of the Americas said:
but to say I lack any ability to collect evidence and determine a UFO's origin is pure bull butter.
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I'd say that "bull butter" is in you claiming that humans left the earth thousands of years ago and flew into space, and are returning every now and again during eclipses to send us vague messages. In fact, that's not mere bull butter, it's absolute bollocks of the most embarrassing kind.
 
Gilbert Syndrome said:
It might be, if you lunatics could learn how to obtain decent evidence for these magical things that you blather on about...
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I've had this discussion here before...

What 'evidence' are you prepared to accept, short of an E.T. body?

What evidence besides a photograph or a video could I possibly present, here?

If I did that, the video would be claimed as a forgery or fake, as with a photo. There are hundreds of such videos and photos available already online. This, as stipulated by the debunking community, "is not evidence."
 
Gilbert Syndrome said:
I'd say that "bull butter" is in you claiming that humans left the earth thousands of years ago and flew into space, and are returning every now and again during eclipses to send us vague messages. In fact, that's not mere bull butter, it's absolute bollocks of the most embarrassing kind.
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What phenomena do you believe is the likely cause of UFO sightings? Like the one that appear over the Rock of the Mt., that suddenly zoomed up and away? Many witnesses saw it, and captured it from multiple angles with video and photographs.
 
King of the Americas said:
I've had this discussion here before...

What 'evidence' are you prepared to accept, short of an E.T. body?

What evidence besides a photograph or a video could I possibly present, here?

If I did that, the video would be claimed as a forgery or fake, as with a photo. There are hundreds of such videos and photos available already online. This, as stipulated by the debunking community, "is not evidence."
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Something that can't be explained away as a solar flare, space debris, or other more rational explanations that aren't "advanced humans from the past."

More to the point, what evidence do you actually have for such a thing as an advanced race of historic humans who managed to leave earth and colonize a distant planet?

Do you have any? I doubt it.

Bigfooters have more evidence than you guys, and that's frankly woeful, cos they've got naught point naught pence.
 
King of the Americas said:
Your assertions of "no" are misplaced.

I admit no such thing. Quite the contrary. I claim some knowledge about how terrestrial craft operate, how to identify various craft, and the requirements that our craft must "arch" through the air.

My training in spotting the differences between planes, satellites, weather balloons, and falling debris is not certified or enumerate through degrees, but to say I lack any ability to collect evidence and determine a UFO's origin is pure bull butter.
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Again. Kindly stop lying to yourself and everyone else.

You have flat-out said that what you saw was some sort of manned aircraft that did not come from us humans.

Of course you saw a UFO (unidentified flying object), but just because you saw a UFO that does not automatically mean that you saw some sort of non-human aircraft and/or spacecraft.
 
Gilbert Syndrome said:
Something that can't be explained away as a solar flare, space debris, or other more rational explanations that aren't "advanced humans from the past."

More to the point, what evidence do you actually have for such a thing as an advanced race of historic humans who managed to leave earth and colonize a distant planet?

Do you have any? I doubt it.

Bigfooters have more evidence than you guys, and that's frankly woeful, cos they've got naught point naught pence.
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I dislike your presentation of my theory...

First, it took "us" modern humans less than a century to go from Kitty Hawk to the Moon. How long have we been in this form? Thousands upon thousands...? Isn't it MORE likely that the heavens are replete with different Us's, that a foreign interstellar visitor hasn't invaded and taken all of our precious metals and resources yet?

Advanced race, like Atlantis?
 
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