Plane Crash In DC

TragicMonkey said:
...does he think he can alter reality by signing orders? Why doesn't he sign an order giving himself a full head of natural hair, then?
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Yes. Yes he does. At least his rather singular version of reality.

And there are actually Americans who claim that the world does not laugh at the USA.
 
JayUtah said:
And the first Trump administration did nothing to change this.


Factually false. The hiring criteria for FAA operational personnel hasn't changed since 2013.


Factually false.
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It can't be, the President has signed an Executive Order to say it's the truth.

How long till he has Biden and Obama arrested?
 
JayUtah said:
The collision occurred at approximately 400 feet. The airliner was on a difficult final approach. The helicopter was on a path consistent with the military unit's longstanding policy of "darting" across these approaches on takeoff, provided they have visibility consistent with visual separation rules.
Both aircraft were where they were supposed to be, but obviously it's an inherently dangerous arrangement.
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That is false. It is never the case that two aircraft are supposed to be at the same place at the same time, so at least one of these aircraft was somewhere it shouldn't have been at that time.
 
TragicMonkey said:
...does he think he can alter reality by signing orders?
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Probably. The executive order seems to be his particular brand of theater.

While an EO can't alter reality, it can set forth findings of "fact" that are ostensibly binding on the executive branch, including the FAA and (to a lesser extent) the NTSB. In the worst case, it can even be a basis to direct the DoJ to bring criminal charges against people in the former administration that are alleged in the EO to have been criminally responsble for the alleged consequences of the allegedly unawlful acts.

This is pure performative thuggery. Demanding by executive fiat that the cause of some accident must be some particular thing erases any effort of find out and fix what really happened.
 
jt512 said:
That is false. It is never the case that two aircraft are supposed to be at the same place at the same time, so at least one of these aircraft was somewhere it shouldn't have been at that time.
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Correct, both in consequential fact and in prescription. The collision occurred at 400 feet. I revised my opinion later to note that the helicopter should have obeyed a ceiling of 200 feet, which it did not do.
 
Dr.Sid said:
Indeed. Preliminary report says there was only one controller for both departures and arrivals, which is not the norm. It also mentions overall under-staffing in ATC everywhere.

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Some reports are speculating that there was actually two planes, the collided one being sent to the same runway as the first in error. Hence the pilot/co-pilot of the Black Hawk may have been referring to the first, when they gave the usual code, 'I see it' (or whatever it is), not realising there was a second plane right behind they had to 'go behind'. (This terminology is confusing: does it mean wait a tick or literally behind the plane once it's passed?)

Anyway seems to be an ATC error, juggling too many balls at a time, spreading themself thinly. I expect all the ethnic minorities in the USA are praying that the ATC concerned isn't one of them because then Trump will feel vindicated and probably need to be carted off in a strait jacket.

Oh America, what have you done?
 
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JayUtah said:
And the first Trump administration did nothing to change this.


Factually false. The qualifications for FAA operational personnel haven't changed since 2013.


Factually false.
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Who woulda thunk it?
 
Andy_Ross said:
How long till he has Biden and Obama arrested?
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I'd love for him to try. Directing the FAA is a core power of the President, and the Supreme Court has recently ruled that a putative criminal action may not even inquire into a President's actions pertaining to a core duty. It would be hilarious to see the Supreme Court try to slice the law so finely as to provide for culpability on the part of a non-Trump entity.

More likely the Trump administration will attempt to pursue criminal charges for people such as former FAA administrators or other people who don't have immunity.
 
Vixen said:
Some reports are speculating that there was actually two planes, the collided one being sent to the same runway as the first in error. Hence the pilot/co-pilot of the Black Hawk may have been referring to the first, when they gave the usual code, 'I see it' (or whatever it is), not realising there was a second plane right behind they had to 'go behind'. (This terminology is confusing: does it mean wait a tick or literally behind the plane once it's passed'?)

Anyway seems to be an ATC error, juggling too many balls at a time, spreading themself thinly. I expect all the ethnic minorities in the USA are praying that the ATC concerned isn't one of them because then Trump will feel vindicated and probably need to be carted off in a strait jacket.

Oh America, what have you done?
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I see no evidence that Trump won't demand his version of things be corroborated. Maybe with a sharpie.
 
This nonsense has been cooked up in the last few hours because Donny so badly bolloxed the press conference about the crash. Not even Fox & Friends can cover his stench. I'm sure his handlers will have seen the POWERFULLY BAD feedback, and were looking for a way to negate it. But the best they could do was sign some more EO's. To us outside the USA, that just adds a stinking insult to massive injury.


Also, the families of all the crash victims are going to be BIGLY POWERFULLY consoled when all the blame goes to Barack Obama for failing to look 16 years into the future and read Trump's mind and implementing Trump's recommendations. I'm sure they will feel much better than completing an investigation and finding the true cause of the crash. Because it will sure make Donny feel better! :sarcasm:
 
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I feel sorry for the families of the Black Hawk crew blamed loudly live on international broadcasts as being intellectually impaired. It is absolutely disgusting, when the investigation has only just started. Not to mention highly offensive comments about dwarfism.

As an aside, there is a rumour that the co-pilot is a female and that is why they haven't named her yet. (Yes, the CT's have started. Some are saying the BH was remotely controlled, had just been carrying a VIP from the Saudi Arabian Embassy and 'someone big' has been bumped off, a major death which we'll hear about in the next few days.)
 
It would be nice if every thread, especially one about a tragic aviation accident, didn't degenerate into an argument about Donald Trump.
 
Vixen said:
Some reports are speculating that there was actually two planes, the collided one being sent to the same runway as the first in error. Hence the pilot/co-pilot of the Black Hawk may have been referring to the first, when they gave the usual code, 'I see it' (or whatever it is), not realising there was a second plane right behind they had to 'go behind'. (This terminology is confusing: does it mean wait a tick or literally behind the plane once it's passed?)

Anyway seems to be an ATC error, juggling too many balls at a time, spreading themself thinly. I expect all the ethnic minorities in the USA are praying that the ATC concerned isn't one of them because then Trump will feel vindicated and probably need to be carted off in a strait jacket.

Oh America, what have you done?
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Who speculates this? Some randos on ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊? If you're going to make such a claim, back it up with links. Otherwise, stop spreading garbage.
 
Just a layman's observation. You know how in the UAP/UFO threads we constantly point out how hard it is to determine distance at night, and how an object that is miles away can appear close, and vice versa? And every once in a while someone uses an example of a military pilot misjudging distance to an object. Seems like that's the case here. The tower communications are already online. The 60 pilot confirmed he had separation, but in two of the three videos of the DC skyline there are two commercial jets in close proximity at that moment. The pilot either didn't see the one he hit, or thought it was further away.

And social media (Twitter) has had numerous videos taken from other flights on approach to Reagan showing UH-60s flying at the same altitude in the same direction. Obviously this is all coordinated by ATC, but I suggest as the investigation unfolds there will be stories from commercial pilots about near-collisions with UH-60s in the past, and this might be a case where the FAA, the DoD, and D.C. elites have been pushing their luck over the past few years (probably since 9-11) because they don't want to be stuck in city traffic.

This event is awful.
 
Vixen said:
I feel sorry for the families of the Black Hawk crew blamed loudly live on international broadcasts as being intellectually impaired. It is absolutely disgusting, when the investigation has only just started. Not to mention highly offensive comments about dwarfism.

As an aside, there is a rumour that the co-pilot is a female and that is why they haven't named her yet. (Yes, the CT's have started. Some are saying the BH was remotely controlled, had just been carrying a VIP from the Saudi Arabian Embassy and 'someone big' has been bumped off, a major death which we'll hear about in the next few days.)
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Why the ◊◊◊◊ don't you stop spreading ◊◊◊◊? I already know the answer: because it's your modus operandi to fill this place with speculation and crap. No wonder nobody sensible takes you seriously.
 
In what I think is a breaking story, the New York Times is reporting that Reagan Airport's control tower has been "understaffed for years." Even given the chronic understaffing, last night was unusual.
Staffing at the air traffic control tower at Ronald Reagan National Airport was “not normal for the time of day and volume of traffic,” according to an internal preliminary Federal Aviation Administration safety report about the collision that was reviewed by The New York Times. The controller who was handling helicopters in the airport’s vicinity Wednesday night was also instructing planes that were landing and departing from its runways. Those jobs typically are assigned to two controllers, rather than one. New York Times article link
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jt512 said:
It would be nice if every thread, especially one about a tragic aviation accident, didn't degenerate into an argument about Donald Trump.
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And maybe if he didn't ◊◊◊◊ post and speak lies, garbage and ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ about it, threads like this wouldn't degenerate. Maybe if you were paying attention, you'd have noticed that the orange piece of ◊◊◊◊ has once again made himself the story. Who the ◊◊◊◊ in their right mind takes a tragedy like this and turns it into yet another ◊◊◊◊ festival about himself?
 
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