Pizzagate

[abaddon]

Tony Podesta's art collection and stamp collecting are two entirely different things, from my pov the motivation behind the two is evidently not the same. As I pointed out I already gave a devils advocate position on his art collection.

No there no and you gave your POV not a devil's advocate position.

What you did was claim that you KNOW what motivates people to collect stamps and you KNOW what motivates Podesta to collect art.

Both of those are claims to knowledge that you cannot possibly have and for which you have no evidence.

When confronted on these baseless claims, you retreated into "I could be wrong" apologetics, but maintained the claims on the basis of nothing at all. Do you not even care if your claims are true?

 

[abaddon]

OK, I can kind of see why you're all so skeptical now. When I mentioned the headless sculpture you didn't understand what I was referring to or even the context in which I was saying it hence why you guys then fixated on the word "headless" and went straight into back-patting name calling mode which is sadly oh so prevalent here.

Or you could simply say which of the veritable plethora of images flying around it is that you intend.

And you could respond to the posts pointing out that headless sculpture is commonplace.

And you could indicate at least a timestamp for whatever it is in the pointless video to which you claim to want to draw attention, but wont.

 

[Craig4]

Those are museums dude not someones residence or Instagram page.

The significance is what exactly?

 

[Spins]

No there no and you gave your POV not a devil's advocate position.

What you did was claim that you KNOW what motivates people to collect stamps and you KNOW what motivates Podesta to collect art.

Both of those are claims to knowledge that you cannot possibly have and for which you have no evidence.

When confronted on these baseless claims, you retreated into "I could be wrong" apologetics, but maintained the claims on the basis of nothing at all. Do you not even care if your claims are true?

It's clear I'd be wasting my time trying to articulate my thought processes regarding all of this. They would involve me having to compose quite large posts with lots of links for zero gain on my behalf. All along I've tried to stress that many of the things are weak evidence at best (and probably pure tin foil on their own), admitted when I was wrong, and that I am approaching this from a biased perspective because of certain incidents that happened to me as a child.

Anyway I've just realized why I walked away from the JREF all those years ago. So I'll leave you guys alone now, sorry if I offended anyone with anything I posted. I wish you all the best of luck in your future endeavours.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

The words "de riguer" come to mind. Everyone who has kids takes a secret unspoken joy in seeing the little squib faceplant into a bowl of something messy.

I tried to get pics of each of my children screaming as an infant, head to toe in food as a toddler, and sleeping in a pile of Legos as a tyke.

I also took pictures of each child wearing the same awesome rugged toddler coverall. That's what parents do.

This entire exercise in anomaly and hidden signal hunting is very disturbing at a deep philosophical level.

 

[Dr. Keith]

For crying out loud I've already told you guys why I find Tony Podesta's art collection weird, I feel like I'm in an endless loop. It's a combination of things not any one thing that you guys keep trying to boil it all down to.

The problem is that some of your things aren't actual things. As has been pointed out repeatedly. So wet you say it isn't one thing it is all of them together, and we point out that the big ones don't really exist, it is a bit circular. But not due to our efforts at clarifying. The circling is a defense mechanism of those without evidence.

So basically what you are saying is that Tony Podesta's art collection in no way reflects his personal interests or desires?

No, we are saying that every piece of art that you have posted that is actually in his collection has been mundane. Show the art from his collection that has you so much in a tizzy.

 

[Craig4]

For example that headless sculpture seemingly inspired by a photo of one of Jeffrey Dahmer's victims could easily be tied to the "spirit cooking" thing. As in privately, how ever bizarre this may sound to us, they enjoy engaging in cannibalistic style ritualistic behaviour. Then you have to wonder what goes on privately as apposed to publicly. John Podesta's hands are horribly scarred it seems from such endeavours, but again it's all weak evidence that I freely admit could be nothing.

So you slander the man based on what you admit is not evidence of sexual assault of children.

 

[Dr. Keith]

It's clear I'd be wasting my time trying to articulate my thought processes regarding all of this.

On that we agree.

 

[Craig4]

It's clear I'd be wasting my time trying to articulate my thought processes regarding all of this. They would involve me having to compose quite large posts with lots of links for zero gain on my behalf. All along I've tried to stress that many of the things are weak evidence at best (and probably pure tin foil on their own), admitted when I was wrong, and that I am approaching this from a biased perspective because of certain incidents that happened to me as a child.

Anyway I've just realized why I walked away from the JREF all those years ago. So I'll leave you guys alone now, sorry if I offended anyone with anything I posted. I wish you all the best of luck in your future endeavours.

All of which is just to say that you can't tie the man to the sexual assault of children but you feel free to drag his name through the mud all the same. Oh what a fine example of moral courage we have here.

 

[MicahJava]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OrX0U4qwTM

I found a very good half-hour debunking video for Pizzagate.

 

[Ernie M]

Man fires rifle while self-investigating "Pizzagate"

Man arrested with firearms--fired at least one shot using a rifle-- when he went to self-investigate the false story of child abuse, "Pizzagate," at Comet Ping Pong.

Fake news, real violence: 'Pizzagate' and the consequences of an Internet echo chamber by Brian Stetler, cnnMoney.

Man Motivated by ‘Pizzagate’ Conspiracy Theory Arrested in Washington Gunfire, by Eric Lipton, The New York Times online.

I can't help but think something should be done when people make up such serious lies. Too many people believe the made up stories.

 

[abaddon]

It's clear I'd be wasting my time trying to articulate my thought processes regarding all of this. They would involve me having to compose quite large posts with lots of links for zero gain on my behalf. All along I've tried to stress that many of the things are weak evidence at best (and probably pure tin foil on their own), admitted when I was wrong, and that I am approaching this from a biased perspective because of certain incidents that happened to me as a child.

Anyway I've just realized why I walked away from the JREF all those years ago. So I'll leave you guys alone now, sorry if I offended anyone with anything I posted. I wish you all the best of luck in your future endeavours.

Sorry you feel that way. Sorry if you had some horrible past experience, I truly am. I'm sorry if this particular case has some resonance for you.

Unfortunately, the simple case is that this particular case has no merit. None. That does not mean a darn thing about you or your history or anything else about you. It simply means that this pizza malarkey is without merit.

Every time a fake case gets viral like this we see another unintended consequence. Actual abuse which has happened gets trivialised. It's predictable. Gun control will be dragged in, media control will be dragged in, NSA/CIA/DSA/FBI/WTF three letter agencies will be dragged in, all for a fake case. There will be false flag accusation, martial law, FEMA camps, etc. Eventually, the entire CT arsenal of nonsense will be loosed. Meanwhile, as time and resources are wasted, actual children being actually abused will be ignored.

I don't know about you, but I would much prefer those resources be spent on protecting real children from real abusers as opposed to a reddit fantasy.

Perhaps you might give that some thought.

 

[Lithrael]

I really didn't WANT to sit though a weird libelous video to see what on earth was being talked about. A screenshot or timestamp really wasn't that much to ask.

I don't understand what's supposed to be meaningful about scarred fingers. Showing them to me doesn't make it any clearer.

The video tries to draw a correlation between Louise Bourgeois’ “Arch of Hysteria” sculpture and a posed photo of one of Jeffrey Dahmer's victims. Which Spin has bought, to the extent of coming in here and saying this piece of art was "seemingly inspired by" a photo of a posed murder victim's corpse.

The artist on the other and would have you believe something more like this:

"Stemming from her interest in the physical, emotional, and psychological aspects of pain and fear, Bourgeois was drawn to the arch of hysteria as theorized and represented by the nineteenth-century neurologist Jean Martin Charcot."

Here's a blog post about the actual point of the sculpture and what it's meant to be about.

https://remedianetwork.net/2014/06/23/the-arch-of-hysteria/

Not that this kind of stuff is for me; I quite like the "ort" label. But it's clearly trying to explore the historical idea of hysteria rather than being 'nudge nudge wink wink headless murder victims amirite??'

Seeing as the people casting these aspersions seem to think that displaying/liking any art that's about discomfort is weird and a bad sign anyways I don't see why they feel the need to lie about the inspiration for Arch of Hysteria. It seems like one would have to have an interest in morbid stuff oneself to even be familiar enough with the Dahmer photo to be reminded of it on seeing this sculpture. So it's OK for that person who made that connection, to consume materials about murderers, but it's not ok for some guy to like art that's about suffering, emotional distance, weirdness, etc etc? Is it just the hard work somebody has to do in order to be able to expose the perversion hidden in plain sight in this guy's house?

 

[Delphic Oracle]

Man arrested with firearms--fired at least one shot using a rifle-- when he went to self-investigate the false story of child abuse, "Pizzagate," at Comet Ping Pong.

Fake news, real violence: 'Pizzagate' and the consequences of an Internet echo chamber by Brian Stetler, cnnMoney.

Man Motivated by ‘Pizzagate’ Conspiracy Theory Arrested in Washington Gunfire, by Eric Lipton, The New York Times online.

I can't help but think something should be done when people make up such serious lies. Too many people believe the made up stories.

http://themillenniumreport.com/2016...pong-pizza-restaurant-to-shut-down-alt-media/

"Alt media" declares this incident a false flag intended to damage the reputation of "alt media."

I can't even, any more.

 

[abaddon]

I really didn't WANT to sit though a weird libelous video to see what on earth was being talked about. A screenshot or timestamp really wasn't that much to ask.

Don't bother. Navel gazing "Ort" student finds navel. News at 11.

I don't understand what's supposed to be meaningful about scarred fingers. Showing them to me doesn't make it any clearer.

I don't get this either. I have scars on my fingers. Lot's of people do. It happens when you use them.

The video tries to draw a correlation between Louise Bourgeois’ “Arch of Hysteria” sculpture and a posed photo of one of Jeffrey Dahmer's victims. Which Spin has bought, to the extent of coming in here and saying this piece of art was "seemingly inspired by" a photo of a posed murder victim's corpse.

There are exercise devices on the shopping channel that make one take such a pose and plenty of them. Still I struggle to see any relavence.

The artist on the other and would have you believe something more like this:

"Stemming from her interest in the physical, emotional, and psychological aspects of pain and fear, Bourgeois was drawn to the arch of hysteria as theorized and represented by the nineteenth-century neurologist Jean Martin Charcot."

Here's a blog post about the actual point of the sculpture and what it's meant to be about.

https://remedianetwork.net/2014/06/23/the-arch-of-hysteria/

This is another oddity. The author of any work of "Ort" can actually state what they intended. The appreciators/patrons of said "Ort" simply make up something else and ignore what the "Ortist" says.

Not that this kind of stuff is for me; I quite like the "ort" label.

Use it liberally and with blessing.

But it's clearly trying to explore the historical idea of hysteria

Sure. But "Ort" tends to frequently fail in the attempt.

rather than being 'nudge nudge wink wink headless murder victims amirite??'

When the "Ort" critic makes a claim about the meaning of any given piece, and the "Ortist" says flat out no, there is obviously some failure of communication.

 

[Porpoise of Life]

OK, I can kind of see why you're all so skeptical now. When I mentioned the headless sculpture you didn't understand what I was referring to or even the context in which I was saying it hence why you guys then fixated on the word "headless" and went straight into back-patting name calling mode which is sadly oh so prevalent here.

Yes... it had nothing to do with the fact that you went from 'mans owns headless sculpture' to 'his hands were probably scarred in a cannibalistic ritual' in three easy steps.

You must be able to see how one does not follow from the other at all...

 

[Axxman300]

So basically what you are saying is that Tony Podesta's art collection in no way reflects his personal interests or desires?

Yes.

I have a doctor friend who collects 18th & 19th century anatomy sketches and paintings because he finds them beautiful and fascinating. You walk into his house to find pictures of mutilated human bodies hanging on the walls.

He's the doctor you want to see come though the door of the emergency room when you're in trouble.

Hitler and the Third Reich commissioned many statues of naked men, did that mean they were secretly gay?

There's a Salvador Dali exhibition in town, what should I assume about the thousands of people (including me) who have paid $22 to view the collection?

Assuming you know what is in a person's mind or heart based on their taste in art (painting, sculpture, music, TV, Movies, theater) is dangerous, and leads to evil in the form of matrixing, and paranoia which is the root problem with this thread. You see only what you want to see, and while you claim you're not advocating CT, in the very same sentence you drop another invalid clue.

It's not funny anymore.

 

[Belz...]

For crying out loud I've already told you guys why I find Tony Podesta's art collection weird

And?



Seriously. And what? Who cares if it's weird. What conclusion do you think you can draw from weird art intertests?

For example that headless sculpture seemingly inspired by a photo of one of Jeffrey Dahmer's victims could easily be tied to the "spirit cooking" thing. As in privately, how ever bizarre this may sound to us, they enjoy engaging in cannibalistic style ritualistic behaviour. Then you have to wonder what goes on privately as apposed to publicly. John Podesta's hands are horribly scarred it seems from such endeavours, but again it's all weak evidence that I freely admit could be nothing.

You're talking nonsense. Fantasy does not beget reality. Otherwise you think I want to go around killing demons in real life because I played DOOM.

 

[jaydeehess]

just checked,, yep the scar on my right hand is still there, as are the scars on right wrist, left elbow, upper lip, abdomen, and left shoulder.

That proves,,, I was once a kid, and am now an adult that has had surgery

 

[jaydeehess]

And?



Seriously. And what? Who cares if it's weird. What conclusion do you think you can draw from weird art intertests?

That artists are often weird. Who knew,,, besides me that is?

You're talking nonsense. Fantasy does not beget reality. Otherwise you think I want to go around killing demons in real life because I played DOOM.

Or as I pointed out, killing prostitutes because you might play Grand Theft Auto.