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Philosophy of science: Does every adult have a gender identity?

Does every adult have a gender identity?

  • Yes

    Votes: 1 8.3%

  • No

    Votes: 8 66.7%

  • Don't know

    Votes: 3 25.0%
  • Total voters
    12
  • Poll closed .
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theprestige said:
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That's very eloquent.

I came to the conclusion some time ago that it's okay for me to not be able to personally feel what other people feel. I will never be able to feel the unpleasantness of menstruation because I don't have a uterus or the hormones that usually accompany it. Similarly, I will never be able to feel the gender dysphoria that trans and nonbinary people feel. That means that I don't have the right to judge or make assumptions about the way other people are feeling. Someone says that they're having a bad period, I nod and say okay and ask if they need anything from me. If someone says they don't feel the gender that they were assigned at birth, or that they don't identify with either binary gender, then I nod and say okay and ask if they need anything from me.

I have sat down with trans and nonbinary people in my life and discussed issues of gender identity with them. I listened to what they said, and did not assume that I already knew what they were feeling.
 
acbytesla said:
Yeah, but what about when you don't have empathy? I have empathy for anyone being bullied and mistreated. But I don't and can't have empathy for someone who is gay or trans. I can not put myself in their shoes. And unless I have an identity crisis in my 70s, it isn't going to happen
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I'm sure that sounded better in your head.
 
arthwollipot said:
That's very eloquent.

I came to the conclusion some time ago that it's okay for me to not be able to personally feel what other people feel. I will never be able to feel the unpleasantness of menstruation because I don't have a uterus or the hormones that usually accompany it. Similarly, I will never be able to feel the gender dysphoria that trans and nonbinary people feel. That means that I don't have the right to judge or make assumptions about the way other people are feeling. Someone says that they're having a bad period, I nod and say okay and ask if they need anything from me. If someone says they don't feel the gender that they were assigned at birth, or that they don't identify with either binary gender, then I nod and say okay and ask if they need anything from me.

I have sat down with trans and nonbinary people in my life and discussed issues of gender identity with them. I listened to what they said, and did not assume that I already knew what they were feeling.
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Fair enough. I can't imagine what it actually feels like to be gangstalked. Maybe I should agree to a paranoid schizophrenic's valid lived reality as a Targeted Individual, rather than try to get them the help they really need.
 
theprestige said:
I'm sure that sounded better in your head.
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Probably.

My point is that we really can't put ourselves in someone else's shoes. I think it is great to try. But we will never be them. We reached where we are at very differently. And that changes everything.
 
theprestige said:
Fair enough. I can't imagine what it actually feels like to be gangstalked. Maybe I should agree to a paranoid schizophrenic's valid lived reality as a Targeted Individual, rather than try to get them the help they really need.
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Maybe you shouldn't conflate trans and nonbinary people with schizophrenic psychosis, how about that?
 
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acbytesla said:
Probably.

My point is that we really can't put ourselves in someone else's shoes. I think it is great to try. But we will never be them. We reached where we are at very differently. And that changes everything.
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I disagree, but fair enough. It doesn't change the fact that "you can't understand my needs well enough to deny my demands" is always going to be a failed argument, for me.
 
Please continue this debate in the thread set aside for such discussion: https://internationalskeptics.com/f...ranswomen-are-not-women-part-15.371593/unread . I've not merged the two threads as merging would result in confusion since the other thread has been active whilst this thread was. Feel free to quote messages from this thread in the other thread.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Darat
 
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