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Merged Peace President invades Venezuela,/U.S. Forces Capture Maduro

Andy_Ross said:
A Superpower should act like a Superpower apparently.

MILLER: The US is using its military to secure our interests unapologetically in our hemisphere. We're a superpower and under President Trump we are going to conduct ourselves as a superpower. It's absurd that we would allow a nation in our backyard to become the supplier of resources to our adversaries but not to us.

TAPPER: Sovereign countries shouldn't be able to do what they want to do?

MILLER: *keeps yelling*

https://twitter.com/x/status/2008320203604578618
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Miller doesn´t know that Spanish is the majority language in the Western Hemisphere?

And by a significant margin in terms of native speakers and countries.
 
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Looks like a false alarm and itchy trigger fingers.

According to information circulating in WhatsApp groups, the incident in Miraflores was a case of mistaken identity.
Apparently, a commercial drone-it's still unknown whether it was civilian or belonged to the security forces-flew nearby, triggering a flurry of gunfire.
 
It does suggest that the military are prepared to shoot though.

Maybe they aren't as compliant as Donald seems to think.
 
newyorkguy said:
Miller also said in the post World War II period the West was “apologizing and groveling and begging.” ??? Tapper said to him, "Now I don't know what you're talking about" and Miller became visibly angry.

Miller's as crazy as his boss.
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Other way round. Trump is as crazy as Miller because that’s who is controlling Donny.
 
Andy_Ross said:
TAPPER: What's your response to those who say Trump threatening military action in Mexico, possibly Cuba, possibly Colombia, possibly taking over Greenland, that none of that is America first?

SEN. BERNIE MORENO: Well, they have to get over their Trump derangement syndrome

https://twitter.com/x/status/2008303249946808422
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standard 'not Andy' disclaimer goes here
 
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junkshop said:
Pay close attention numbnuts, I have an important mission for you: ◊◊◊◊ right off, as far as you can imagine possible. Now ◊◊◊◊ off again, a bit further. Pause, look around, take stock of your surroundings.

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Perhaps you will find yourself at the top of a cliff, and proud and purposeful striding is not an option. Worry not, because now you get to to yeet yourself off the cliff into the sea like a real alpha cockwomble. But what if the cliff isn't on the coast? What if there is nothing below but jagged rocks? Then you are a right lucky bastard, because you have been blessed with the opportunity to ◊◊◊◊ right the ◊◊◊◊ off that precipice and dash your mortal coil against the teeth of god, like a true sigma.

Praise be! Now papa Trump will remember your name (he won't, but you really should ◊◊◊◊ off anyway: you're an embarrasment to the Senate, the US, western civilisation, and humanity as a whole).

standard 'not Andy' disclaimer
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Is that a thumbs-down?
 
newyorkguy said:
Miller also said in the post World War II period the West was “apologizing and groveling and begging.” ??? Tapper said to him, "Now I don't know what you're talking about" and Miller became visibly angry.

Miller's as crazy as his boss.
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I guess Miller never heard of the Berlin Airlift in 1948 ......or maybe he meant the beginning of the end of the Europaen Empires.
Jack by the hedge said:
I'm increasingly convinced it won't mean US troops on the ground. Security will be in the hands of Venezuelan troops.

I'm really unconvinced by those rumours that Machado would be in power now if only she had turned down "Trump's" Nobel peace prize. I think Trump doesn't greatly care who the figurehead is so long as they do as they're told, and if his new business partners, the Venezuelan army, think Rodriguez is the right choice for a smooth transition to their new arrangement, then she gets the job.

The idea that this all hinges on Trump's petulant whims sounds like an assumption that no other interests are involved here, when there's a lot at stake for US oil companies as well as for for Venezuela and its oil customers, like Cuba for example.
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Just like South Vietnam was supposed to able to handle the Viet Cong on their own? That might be the intention, but if the opposition to a US puppet goverment becomes strong enough..........
 
I despise Trump in almost every way, but I had little to criticize in his extremely limited involvement with Iran. And I love Iran. It probably kept Israel from a much less restrained attack. IMO it was handled about as well as it could have been, and it was appropriate.

Then there's Venezuela. The precedent bugs the hell out of me, but just surgically extricating Maduro? Like, nobody wanted him there. I'm not sure he even wanted to be there. The result, at the moment, isn't horrible.

Despite Trump's claims about oil, I wonder if this is even something US companies WANT to invest in heavily right now. It could just be Trump trying to sound like a real businessman. s

Going back to our old way of doing business with South America would be a huge mistake IMO. So the precedent bugs me A LOT. But really at this moment the only practical difference is Maduro's gone. There may be some downside to that, and there are always unintended consequences. It may or may not blow up in our face.

If Trump really turns Latin America into his personal Monopoly board he may lose interest in the rest of the world entirely much to the benefit of Russia and China. We will lose all soft power *including* in Latin America because Trump probably figures "soft power" is for sissies anyway.

But he has the attention span of a gnat. If he keeps changing his mind every 5 minutes, designing ballrooms and going after low-hanging fruit maybe he'll end up playing in his sandbox making airplane noises while somewhat smarter and more coherent takes the reins. Who knows, that could be worse. But I'm just so ready for him to be a lame duck. It will be a huge relief and I guess we take our chances on what follows.
 
junkshop said:
Pay close attention numbnuts, I have an important mission for you: ◊◊◊◊ right off, as far as you can imagine possible. Now ◊◊◊◊ off again, a bit further. Pause, look around, take stock of your surroundings.

◊◊◊◊ off a bit further. OK, have you reached the sea? If yes, then stride proudly and purposefully into it. If no, then you need to ◊◊◊◊ off a little further because you've not ◊◊◊◊◊◊ off enough yet. Stop being a beta cuck and ◊◊◊◊ off like a real man.

Perhaps you will find yourself at the top of a cliff, and proud and purposeful striding is not an option. Worry not, because now you get to to yeet yourself off the cliff into the sea like a real alpha cockwomble. But what if the cliff isn't on the coast? What if there is nothing below but jagged rocks? Then you are a right lucky bastard, because you have been blessed with the opportunity to ◊◊◊◊ right the ◊◊◊◊ off that precipice and dash your mortal coil against the teeth of god, like a true sigma.

Praise be! Now papa Trump will remember your name (he won't, but you really should ◊◊◊◊ off anyway: you're an embarrasment to the Senate, the US, western civilisation, and humanity as a whole).

standard 'not Andy' disclaimer goes here
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Stop beating around the bush. Tell us how you really feel.
 
The U.S. lays down the law.

From Ambassador Walz's statement today at the U.N. Security Council

This is the Western Hemisphere. This is where we live – and we’re not going to allow the Western Hemisphere to be used as a base of operation for our nation’s adversaries, and competitors, and rivals of the United States. You can’t turn Venezuela into the operating hub for Iran, for Hizballah, for gangs, for the Cuban intelligence agents and other malign actors that control that country. You cannot continue to have the largest energy reserves in the world under the control of adversaries of the United States, under the control of illegitimate leaders, and not benefiting the people of Venezuela, and stolen by a handful of oligarchs inside of Venezuela.​

https://twitter.com/x/status/2008210835504570751
 
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