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Merged Peace President invades Venezuela,/U.S. Forces Capture Maduro

Andy_Ross said:
MILLER: [...] It's absurd that we would allow a nation in our backyard to become the supplier of resources to our adversaries but not to us.
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Again, what you're calling your backyard is actually your neighbour's house. Get the ◊◊◊◊ over your entitlement problem.

Explain why it's absurd that you might allow your neighbour to conduct their own business? You're not trading with your neighbour because you're not on speaking terms. I expect you blame them, right? But then you said you don't need their dirty oil anyway. Make your mind up. You're not trying to gain a supply of their resources, you're taking over control of their resources to sell for yourself.
 
theprestige said:
Two world wars post-1909, involving surprise hostilities, have entered the chat.
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Hostilities began in the First World War when Austria-Hungary formally declared war upon Serbia after the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand. Other countries followed with their own formal declarations of war - Germany against Russia on the 1st of August. Germany against France on the 3rd. Britain against Germany on the 4th. Et cetera.

For World War 2 in Europe, Germany - you know, the Nazis, the Bad Guys - surprise attacked Poland, and the Allies - the Good Guys - followed international law and formally declared a state of war. The war in the Pacific started with the Japanese - the Bad Guys - performing a surprise attack after which the United States - the Good Guys - also followed international law and formally declared a state of war.

So I'm not sure that either of those are the counterargument that you are looking for. But please, keep on prompting me to educate myself on the details of international law. This is fascinating.
 
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Trausti said:
He did it Andy. It's all over the news. He got Maduro. No American KIA. The NGOs weep.
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What NGOs? I'm seeing a lot of far-right rhetoric about "The NGOs" recently and it's never specified exactly which NGOs they're talking about.

Elon Musk says that "The NGOs" are colluding with the Los Angeles police and DAs so that they don't prosecute drug dealers so that "The NGOs" can farm homeless drug zombies for state money, but he never names "The NGOs". It's just the newest boogeyman for the far right to demonise.
 
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Trausti said:
He did it Andy. It's all over the news. He got Maduro. No American KIA. The NGOs weep.
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He's going to bleed the country dry. He's said so.
Do you think there isn't going to be any violence when the US troops arrive to guard the US oil workers?

It hasn't even started yet.
 
theprestige said:
I mean... If you're in favor of military action against the Mexican cartels, just say so. I know I am.
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You could always actually work with the Mexican government to combat cartels, rather than going it alone by insulting and threatening every brown person in sight. Has any Trump asked them? No?
 
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