Merged Peace President invades Venezuela,/U.S. Forces Capture Maduro

[smartcooky]

Could be wrong, but I suspect what Johnny meant was just the idea they'd get a free and fair election... under the auspices of Trump.

Probably, but that wasn't clear. The way he used the word "lies" implies they were all lies, and that simply isn't so.

 

[johnny karate]

Just to be clear, this part...

Maduro stole the election in 2024 from the opposition, who won at least 70% of the votes​

... is actually the truth.

How Maduro Stole Venezuela’s Vote | Journal of Democracy

Nicolás Maduro brazenly stole Venezuela’s 2024 presidential election, despite a free, fair, and transparent ballot count that showed a clear opposition victory. Why would an autocrat want to maintain…

www.journalofdemocracy.org

Fair point. I was referring to everything that came after. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

 

[johnny karate]

Probably, but that wasn't clear. The way he used the word "lies" implies they were all lies, and that simply isn't so.

Jim_MDP's suspicion is right and the record has been corrected. The "lies" were merely a reference to everything that comes from the Trump administration to rationalize their illegal invasion.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Or, it would mean the people charged with operating them chose not to do so.

Bollocks

 

[Andy_Ross]

Jim_MDP's suspicion is right and the record has been corrected. The "lies" were merely a reference to everything that comes from the Trump administration to rationalize their illegal invasion.

Don't you know the rules here yet?

Corrections will be ignored for the rest of the thread

 

[Beelzebuddy]

from what i understand maduro's vp was sworn in and in power, and trump has no interest in the democratically popular candidate and claims the us will run the country.

so, this is going to be a huge cluster ◊◊◊◊. going to go ahead and call that one now.

Nooo, it's far too soon. You gotta let 'em cook, you know? The proper time to make conclusions will be when it's too late to do anything about it.

 

[dirtywick]

Nooo, it's far too soon. You gotta let 'em cook, you know? The proper time to make conclusions will be when it's too late to do anything about it.

that's also a good time to never discuss it again and act as if it never happened the next time it does

 

[Jim_MDP]

that's also a good time to never discuss it again and act as if it never happened the next time it does

Oh, like school shootings.

 

[Ziggurat]

Really? Putin and China can say the US did it too, do you think there's no propaganda to milk and to back them up in this scenario?

Oh, I'm sure they'll try to milk that propaganda, just like I'm sure many here will play along with that propoganda.

But it won't change what they decide to do, because what they decide to do will be determined by raw power, not what excuses they can make.

 

[Ziggurat]

We've come so far from you praising Trump as anti-war. I remember when it was number one on your list of reasons to vote for him.

Am I wrong? Did he get us into war during his first term?

Nope. I was correct about that.

Are we in a war now? Not really. You're worried we might get into a war because of this, but this ain't war yet. Just like the strike on Iran wasn't really war either. There was a lot of fear that our strike on Iran would turn into a war, but it didn't. The fears of that were misplaced.

If there's one consistent principle of MAGA, it's having no principles.

You have no principles other than hostility to anything not hard left.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

There's one thing we have learned from all this.
The Chinese 'Anti Stealth ' radar systems supplied to Venezuela didn't detect ◊◊◊◊ all! and the Russian AA systems didn't engage a single one of the hundred or do US aircraft involved.

Or perhaps the US military got messages to the right people in the Venezuelan military explaining that any defensive actions by them would be treated to overwhelming unpleasantness, and it might be better for everyone if they appeared to be taken by surprise as token attacks would be made, and then nobody need get hurt, the inevitable would happen anyway and at the end of it they could still have a military and thus a career.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

Oh sure, it is.
But is one anti democratic strongman replacing an other anti democratic strongman with his own puppet actually an improvement?

I'm sure the chubby little bastard will use the same tactics come 2026 and 2028. Heck, he might even hire Maduro as a consultant. I was going to say secretly, but he always blabbers about everything on Xitter, so I'm sure he'd be bragging about his secret election fixer from Venezuela before long.

 

[Ziggurat]

Or perhaps the US military got messages to the right people in the Venezuelan military explaining that any defensive actions by them would be treated to overwhelming unpleasantness, and it might be better for everyone if they appeared to be taken by surprise as token attacks would be made, and then nobody need get hurt, the inevitable would happen anyway and at the end of it they could still have a military and thus a career.

Apparently the Russians are claiming that we bought off the Venezuelan military because it's so corrupt. Not a completely far fetched idea.

But it raises the question, since they claim the Ukrainians are corrupt, why they didn't just buy off the Ukrainian military. Do they think that's not sportsmanlike?

 

[Norman Alexander]

John James
@JohnJamesMI
Me and my buddies fought in a 20-year war because Bush and Obama couldn’t get done in four terms what Trump just got done in four hours.

I voted for this!

https://twitter.com/x/status/2007475411890880817

WTF are you talking about, JJ?

 

[Norman Alexander]

Just to be clear, this part...

Maduro stole the election in 2024 from the opposition, who won at least 70% of the votes​

... is actually the truth.

How Maduro Stole Venezuela’s Vote | Journal of Democracy

Nicolás Maduro brazenly stole Venezuela’s 2024 presidential election, despite a free, fair, and transparent ballot count that showed a clear opposition victory. Why would an autocrat want to maintain…

www.journalofdemocracy.org

Don't think that was ever in dispute.

Question is: Will Trump put the winner of that election in government in Venezuela? Because she is the one who stole his Noble Piss Prize.

 

[arthwollipot]

General Jack Keane had a massive Freudian slip on Fox News while discussing Venezuela.

“The implications here are really great for the Israel… Venezuelan people.”

Oh no! Antisemitism!

 

[LDE1976]

Bitch stole his Peas Prize. You can't kiss an ass deep and wet enough to get past that slight.

Even Yasser Marrowfat won the Peas Prize.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

Noble Piss Prize.

Oh, is that why he was so obsessed with it. Someone explain the typo to him and I'm sure he'll lose interest quickly.

 

[junkshop]

Even Yasser Marrowfat won the Peas Prize.

To my eternal shame, I sniggered at that.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Am I wrong? Did he get us into war during his first term?

Nope. I was correct about that.

Are we in a war now? Not really. You're worried we might get into a war because of this, but this ain't war yet. Just like the strike on Iran wasn't really war either. There was a lot of fear that our strike on Iran would turn into a war, but it didn't. The fears of that were misplaced.

You have no principles other than hostility to anything not hard left.

This is where you show your US exceptionalist hypocrisy.

Both actions WERE acts of war. They just were acts of war against countries unable to strike back.
Had either action happened on US soil against a US target you'd be on the forefront shouting how the evil foreigners should be crushed for daring to hurt US citizens.

I get that you follow the might is right and the US is special so gets a free pass policy from the MAGA cult, but at least be honest about it.

They were police actions in the same way that Putin is doing a police action in Ukraine.