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Merged Peace President invades Venezuela,/U.S. Forces Capture Maduro

Andy_Ross said:
Trump: Venezuela was increasingly hosting foreign adversaries in our region and acquiring weapons that could threaten U.S. Interests and lives. They used those weapons last night.
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Weapons? Good lord. You invaded them and kidnapped their president and they used weapons? When sort of savages are those people? Do they imagine they have some kind of right to defend themselves?
 
Andy_Ross said:
The Donroe Document.

Trump: "All the way back it dated to the Monroe Doctrines. And the Monroe Doctrine is a big deal. But we've superseded it by a lot. By a real lot. They now call it the Donroe Document. I don't know. It's Monroe Doctrine. We sort of forgot about it."

https://twitter.com/x/status/2007497044483559556
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i had to look this up to figure out what he was confused about. much like the boat strikes, they're referencing marginally relevant events hundreds of years ago as precedent

anyway it sounds like we've captured maduro and essentially seized venezuela
 
jt512 said:
Well, that's an interesting point of view.

According to reports, Maduro's forces did not fire a single shot against the U.S. attack. Venezuela's military has, essentially, abandoned the Maduro regime. Anyone from the regime contemplating stepping into power will do so knowing that they have no military backing and knowing that the U.S. can step in at will and take them out.

Nope. There will be no more drug lords in charge of Venezuela on Trump's watch.
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Trump pardons drug kingpins even as he escalates U.S. drug war rhetoric

Here's The Drug Dealers Donald Trump Has Pardoned

Trump pardons cocaine kingpin who ruled Honduras

Trump grants clemency to Baltimore drug trafficker who ran multimillion-dollar ring

Trump pardons Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht for online drug scheme
 
Los Angeles for some reason

Trump: "We saved Los Angeles early on, where the head of the police department made a statement that if the federal govt didn't come in, we would've lost Los Angeles. That's after the fires. That's when they had the riots. We did a great job. Got no credit for it whatsoever. It doesn't matter."

https://twitter.com/x/status/2007495839283904781
 
Andy_Ross said:
Donald deserves the $50 million

RUBIO: He is a fugitive of American justice with a $50 million award. I guess we saved $50 million.

TRUMP: We should make sure. Don't let anybody claim it. Nobody deserves it but us.
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But now you're going to occupy Venezuela. You invaded a country and decapitated its government and now you're going to be an army of occupation until they elect someone you like. How much is that going to cost per day?
 
Andy_Ross said:
Los Angeles for some reason

Trump: "We saved Los Angeles early on, where the head of the police department made a statement that if the federal govt didn't come in, we would've lost Los Angeles. That's after the fires. That's when they had the riots. We did a great job. Got no credit for it whatsoever. It doesn't matter."
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I don't really remember that one. Was it the one where the alien was hiding in the swimming pool? It's a bit of a blur to be honest.
 
jt512 said:
Well, that's an interesting point of view.

According to reports, Maduro's forces did not fire a single shot against the U.S. attack. Venezuela's military has, essentially, abandoned the Maduro regime. Anyone from the regime contemplating stepping into power will do so knowing that they have no military backing and knowing that the U.S. can step in at will and take them out.

Nope. There will be no more drug lords in charge of Venezuela on Trump's watch.
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Trump pardons drug kingpins even as he escalates U.S. drug war rhetoric

Here's The Drug Dealers Donald Trump Has Pardoned

Trump pardons cocaine kingpin who ruled Honduras

Trump grants clemency to Baltimore drug trafficker who ran multimillion-dollar ring

Trump pardons Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht for online drug scheme
 
jt512 said:
Yes. I think any country's courts have jurisdiciton over anyone who violates that countrz's laws anywhere, The U.S. is hardly the only country to issue arrest warrants against people who aren't currently in the country. What, if anything, is controversial, is one country abducting someone who has violated its laws from another country.

Strangely, though, no one seemed to put up much of a fuss when the U.S. invaded Panama to arrest Noriega.

And the legal jurisdiction argument is really sort of red herring anyway. The U.S., I would think, just committed an act of war against Venezuela. Was it illegal under international law? Yeah, probably. Was it the moral thing to do? Yeah, probably, for both the U.S. and for the people of Venezuela.

And let's not even bring up congressional approval. The last time Congress declared war World War II, and the U.S. has undertaken hundreds of doreign military actions since then.
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Workshopping rationalizations in real time, covering all the bases.

Openly admitting it was illegal and claiming it was done on moral grounds was a bold choice.
 
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Helen said:
I have no love for Maduro, but that does not mean that other countries should be allowed to kidnap him. (And as dictators go, he is far from the worst. Some of Trump's best friends are among the top 10, he is not.) If the "leader of the free world" is allowed/allows himself to go rogue, we're well and truly ◊◊◊◊◊◊. This signals to China that they can take Taiwan, and underscores how eminently unsuitable the US is in the role of peace broker between Ukraine and Russia.
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You were talking about the people of Venezuela charting their own course, that's what I was responding to.

Almost a million Venezuelans decided to make the perilous trek the the fascist, racist, misogynist, transphobic, homophobic...USA because their country was worse. Maybe now they'll have (at least more of) a chance at self determination.
 
johnny karate said:
Workshopping rationalizations in real time, covering all the bases.
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The legal justification cited in the indictment is 18 U.S.C. § 3238, which establishes venue for crimes committed outside any judicial district of the United States, but it does not provided a basis for personal jurisdiction over persons who are otherwise outside the jurisdiction of the United States. § 3238 is meant to apply to such things as crimes committed upon the high seas on U.S.-flagged vessels or on U.S. territories or installations outside the borders of the U.S. In those cases, personal jurisdiction was already implied. If it's legal for you to own a machine gun where you live, you cannot lawfully be kidnapped from that place and brought to the U.S. to face charges of violating U.S. law against machine guns.
 
Stout said:
You were talking about the people of Venezuela charting their own course, that's what I was responding to.

Almost a million Venezuelans decided to make the perilous trek the the fascist, racist, misogynist, transphobic, homophobic...USA because their country was worse. Maybe now they'll have (at least more of) a chance at self determination.
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Ooh! I know this one!

Aaand, now that we've liberated their homeland, all of the million Venezuelan refugees, immigrants, really anyone of Venezuelan ancestry has no need to remain in the US and should be encouraged to leave as quickly as possible. Yes?
 
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