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Obama's Katrina!

leftysergeant said:
Sounds like you're saying that we should all wish we still had the Shrub to take care of it. The only use I can see for him or any of his herd of swine is to drag them through the oil slick to mop it up. He caused it. The drilling started on his watch and he put the worst possible people in place to watch out for our interests. Than GOD he is out of there and cannot make it any worse.
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Maybe there is another very large oil state other than Texas where there might be someone who has delt with oil companies all the time, where they have had actual excutive experience.....hmmm...let's all think.

DDWW
 
Drysdale said:
Call in other experts from other oil companies and bill BP.
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Engineers from other oil companies have been providing input to BP for quite a while already. I had a large meeting cancelled because most of the senior engineers that would have comprised our audience are too busy working the oil spill problem with BP.
 
johnny karate said:
This is a situation that requires very specialized knowledge and training. You're speaking in generalities. You might as well have said "Send in the military because they're good at stuff" for as much meaning as your statement has.
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Now the British Army was the right (eventual) response to the UK 2001 foot and mouth outbreak: the solution involved mass culling of cattle, digging massive pits to bury/burn the carcases and quite a bit of logistics.

Shooting and digging trenches... I think that calls for the infantry.
 
joobz said:
So you think they should have done more burning even though they didn't have enough oil booms to secure them all?
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That's not what I said. :rolleyes:

joobz said:
Or are you claiming that it was there fault for not predicting the severity of the spill and therefore didn't have enough oil booms in reserve to handle the disaster?
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It most certainly is the Obama administration's fault for waiving the requirement that BP do an environmental impact statement and waiving the requirement for an emergency response plan that would have specified what materials they needed to have on-hand toeffectively handle this sort of catastrophe. They also waived the requirement for testing the shutoff system that failed and waived the requirement for high strength steel in the shutoff system.
 
BeAChooser said:
It most certainly is the Obama administration's fault for waiving the requirement that BP do an environmental impact statement and waiving the requirement for an emergency response plan that would have specified what materials they needed to have on-hand toeffectively handle this sort of catastrophe. They also waived the requirement for testing the shutoff system that failed and waived the requirement for high strength steel in the shutoff system.
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What year did the Obama adminstration grant the Deepwater Horizon rights to drill?
 
thaiboxerken said:
What year did the Obama adminstration grant the Deepwater Horizon rights to drill?
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Of course, the "right" to drill in the area was granted before Obama took office. But actual permission to drill a specific well was contingent on filing environmental impact statements (per NEPA), emergency response plans, adequately testing equipment and using required materials … all of which the Obama Administration let BP get out of doing when in April 2009 it approved BP's plan to start the Deepwater Horizon exploratory well 50 miles off the Louisiana coast.

And note that it was at the end of March 2009 when Obama announced an expansion of offshore drilling, based largely on MMS (headed by an Obama appointee) claims that new drilling posed no major risks. But in fact, the NOAA criticized the MMS studies that Obama used to approve the Deepwater Horizon site. Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER) published a memo sent by NOAA Administrator Jane Lubchenco in October 2009 to the Department of the Interior ridiculing MMS' assessment of drilling operations. Go ahead, keep spinning for Obama, tbk.
 
So Obama's guilty of not overhauling the system the previous administration had in place?
 
DDWW said:
Maybe there is another very large oil state other than Texas where there might be someone who has delt with oil companies all the time, where they have had actual excutive experience.....hmmm...let's all think.
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Stop trying to be cute. It is failing. Who do you think has the expertise in this area who was not part of the cause in the first palce?

Cheney and the Shrub are useless. Caribou Barbie is beyond stupid. That would leave Aaaaanuld, and he is clueless, beyond saying "Don't get it in the water."
 
leftysergeant said:
What system was in place? The one that the Shrub built?

Oh, wait a minute...
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This one...
BeAChooser said:
But actual permission to drill a specific well was contingent on filing environmental impact statements (per NEPA), emergency response plans, adequately testing equipment and using required materials …
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It doesn't matter who put it in place, though you'll undoubtedly want to know so you can decide if you like it or not.
 
JohnnyG said:
This one...
It doesn't matter who put it in place, though you'll undoubtedly want to know so you can decide if you like it or not.
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Okay, so Obama got caught short not assuming that the whole of MMS was rotten to the core.
 
BeAChooser said:
It most certainly is the Obama administration's fault for waiving the requirement that BP do an environmental impact statement and waiving the requirement for an emergency response plan that would have specified what materials they needed to have on-hand toeffectively handle this sort of catastrophe. They also waived the requirement for testing the shutoff system that failed and waived the requirement for high strength steel in the shutoff system.
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I agree with this.
I just wonder if you've considered the full extent of what this implies...
 
Problem here is, if Obama had overhauled the MMS and the way we regulate Big Oil, Republicans would be whining about socialism, again. I agree that Obama should've done this, but I wonder if he knew just how bad the system was. It certainly wasn't public knowledge, was it? The previous administration certainly didn't bring it up, and the Republicans running for office in 2008 were certainly calling for more drilling of oil.

Sarah Palin made fun of Obama for wanting to do studies on the safety and environmental impacts, FFS.
 
I have to wonder whether Obama or Salazar were getting accurate information out of the slimebags at MMS when the permits were granted. It is human nature to beleive that your staff are not all worthless maggots and to sign of on stuff based on their word.

How is he going to verify it? Put on a dry suit and SCUBA gear and grab a flashlight?
 
thaiboxerken said:
Problem here is, if Obama had overhauled the MMS and the way we regulate Big Oil, Republicans would be whining about socialism, again. I agree that Obama should've done this, but I wonder if he knew just how bad the system was. It certainly wasn't public knowledge, was it? The previous administration certainly didn't bring it up, and the Republicans running for office in 2008 were certainly calling for more drilling of oil.

Sarah Palin made fun of Obama for wanting to do studies on the safety and environmental impacts, FFS.
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Exactly. That is part of the implications I was referring to. The cause of this disaster was a poorly regulated industry.

Now who here has been advocating for less government regulation?
 
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