Obama Win Now Inevitable?

JEROME DA GNOME said:
I never said such a thing.
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I exaggerate for comic effect. You have, however, said something awfully like that.

Why are you creating silly straw-men to blow? See below for the answer.

You are a liar because the reality hitting you in the face about YOUR candidate does not sit well.



Your presentation is not adequate, this is understandable because your emotions are confounded by facts. I forgive you.
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And now back to the real world, where my candidate is winning.
 
Dr Adequate said:
I agree that in principle Clinton can still win. But JEROME is arguing that however the poor simple sheeple vote, the party establishment will hand it to Clinton because it's all been arranged beforehand by the Illuminati. This is rubbish.
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Yes.

And in practice, Obama is going to win. He'd have to be caught in bed with an entire teenage male voice choir to lose. If I'm wrong, you can bump this thread. But I'm not.
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I'm not trying to score points on you and I'll not bump the thread for gloating purposes. My point is that you should not count the chickens while they're still in the eggshell. This race has been extraordinarily fast and now there's going to be a month where nobody wins anything significant. The war is going to be about stuff undiscovered to date, and guess whom that favors? Hillary and McCain have been well-picked over by the national media, so Barack gets the front and center treatment. Hello, Rev. Wright!
 
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Dr Adequate said:
I agree that in principle Clinton can still win. But JEROME is arguing that however the poor simple sheeple vote, the party establishment will hand it to Clinton because it's all been arranged beforehand by the Illuminati. This is rubbish.
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No, Jerome is arguing that however the poor simple sheeple vote, the party establishment will conspire to hand it to whoever they conspire to give it to. If Obama wins, the party elite conspired to make sure he wins. If Clinton wins, the party elite conspired to make sure she wins. He can't be wrong! Classic CT mentality.
 
mortimer said:
No, Jerome is arguing that however the poor simple sheeple vote, the party establishment will conspire to hand it to whoever they conspire to give it to. If Obama wins, the party elite conspired to make sure he wins. If Clinton wins, the party elite conspired to make sure she wins. He can't be wrong! Classic CT mentality.
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Some people on this forum have spent way too much time in the conspiracy theory threads. They see CT everywhere they look!


ETA: Just because you are not understanding the politics of the circumstance does not mean that you should create straw-men to blow.
 
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After seeing the racist bigot who is Obama's "Spiritual" adviser (whatever the hell that means) dance while being slapped on the back by flunkies, I would hold in contempt anyone who votes for him to lead our country.
 
So if the term is vague enough that you refer to it as "whatever the hell that means", why do you attach such a direct link of character and judgment between this preacher and Obama, that you would hold anyone who votes for him in contempt?

I mean if "spiritual adviser" to you, is some nebulous, vague term of little value or consequence, then why should what this man says have any bearing on how we relate or feel about Obama?

Obama has denounced this man, and said he denounces and disagrees with the views he expressed in the extreme. Now if you are calling Obama a liar about this, then fine, that is your opinion, which I feel is wrong. If not, if you feel Obama's denouncement is genuine, then what more would you have the man do?

Let me guess, drop out of the race?

TAM:)
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
Is the Democratic party ready to disenfranchise voters?

Those voters votes don't count?

Sounds like 2000. :blush:
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The voters, or at least their elected representatives, in MI and FL knew that their votes would not count (that is, their delegates would not be seated), if they chose to move their primaries to the dates they were held. They knew in advance and moved them anyway. They disenfranchised themselves.
 
T.A.M. said:
So if the term is vague enough that you refer to it as "whatever the hell that means", why do you attach such a direct link of character and judgment between this preacher and Obama, that you would hold anyone who votes for him in contempt?

I mean if "spiritual adviser" to you, is some nebulous, vague term of little value or consequence, then why should what this man says have any bearing on how we relate or feel about Obama?

Obama has denounced this man, and said he denounces and disagrees with the views he expressed in the extreme. Now if you are calling Obama a liar about this, then fine, that is your opinion, which I feel is wrong. If not, if you feel Obama's denouncement is genuine, then what more would you have the man do?

Let me guess, drop out of the race?

TAM:)
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I don't know what you have seen, but I saw Obama's face, and heard his quavering voice, trying to distance himself from 20 years of Presidential aspiration competence claims.

He sounded like a schoolboy caught associated with school vandals and explaining how he wasn't really involved.

This is the man you defend for candidacy of the Presidency of the United States of America????

For 20 years this insightful, intelligent prospective leader of the of the only Super Power on this planet hadn't figured out that his spiritual adviser (whatever the hell that means) was a raving racist living in the past and wanting to foment the same hatreds that so many decent Americans thought they had moved past; and proved it by voting for the little man and his angry wife???

I listened with disgust at the venom coming from that little man of some god, and I have NEVER encountered that in my personal experience which does not include any insulated "white" sanctuaries, in case you are tempted to offer a quip.


 
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Elind said:
I don't know what you have seen, but I saw Obama's face, and heard his quavering voice, trying to distance himself from 20 years of Presidential aspiration competence claims.

He sounded like a schoolboy caught associated with school vandals and explaining how he wasn't really involved.

This is the man you defend for candidacy of the Presidency of the United States of America????

For 20 years this insightful, intelligent prospective leader of the of the only Super Power on this planet hadn't figured out that his spiritual adviser (whatever the hell that means) was a raving racist living in the past and wanting to foment the same hatreds that so many decent Americans thought they had moved past; and proved it by voting for the little man and his angry wife???

I listened with disgust at the venom coming from that little man of some god, and I have NEVER encountered that in my personal experience which does not include any insulated "white" sanctuaries, in case you are tempted to offer a quip.
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LOL, I'm sure your biases weren't at all involved in your conclusions based on Obama's facial expression :rolleyes: . What made you think he was a raving racist? I didn't hear him saying blacks were superior to whites.
 
Elind said:
I don't know what you have seen, but I saw Obama's face, and heard his quavering voice, trying to distance himself from 20 years of Presidential aspiration competence claims.

He sounded like a schoolboy caught associated with school vandals and explaining how he wasn't really involved.

This is the man you defend for candidacy of the Presidency of the United States of America????

For 20 years this insightful, intelligent prospective leader of the of the only Super Power on this planet hadn't figured out that his spiritual adviser (whatever the hell that means) was a raving racist living in the past and wanting to foment the same hatreds that so many decent Americans thought they had moved past; and proved it by voting for the little man and his angry wife???

I listened with disgust at the venom coming from that little man of some god, and I have NEVER encountered that in my personal experience which does not include any insulated "white" sanctuaries, in case you are tempted to offer a quip.
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Yes, yes he is.

I don't want McCain. I don't want Hillary.

I don't care about what his pastor thinks, so long as it doesn't manifest in what Obama says or does.

Reagan talked to an ASTROLOGER when making decisions. I find that to be quite a bit more worrisome than Obama's pastor making some ridiculous claims.
 
Tsukasa Buddha said:
LOL, I'm sure your biases weren't at all involved in your conclusions based on Obama's facial expression :rolleyes: . What made you think he was a raving racist? I didn't hear him saying blacks were superior to whites.
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I am disappointed in your response. I said no such thing, even while I think I can detect squirm in a person, while you can't.

It is his pastor and confidant of 20 years who said not what you suggest, but instead that the evil whites are responsible for aids, drugs, illegally winning WWII and even more. Clearly you have not bothered to pay attention even as you post this comment or you you would have had a more relevant comment.

What matters is the capacity of personal judgment of the one who wants to be our leader (the Decider according to present self declared naming).

I think 20 years of ignoring the obvious is a bad reference. Real bad.
 
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Elind said:
Does it manifest, even conceivably, in what he thinks, or are you one of those who only accepts whatever you hear?

Perhaps that doesn't matter to you. Any old excuse will do as long as it is said.
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So long as what the pastor has said doesn't manifest itself in Obama's actions or statements, or anything qualitative, what does it matter?

Again, Reagan would actually consult, and take the advice of, an astrologer when making decisions.

So, let me ask you:

What has Obama done, or said, or written, that has shown that his pastor is going to have undue influence on Obama or his Presidency?
 
TriskettheKid said:
So long as what the pastor has said doesn't manifest itself in Obama's actions or statements, or anything qualitative, what does it matter?
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:eye-poppi

It matters in a matter of judgment, and it matters in that if he could not detect obvious, dare I say obscene, racism and conspiratorial woo woo that Randi himself would have a hay day with were it not so politically connected (you do know what forum you are on, don't you?); yet you say "what does it matter". Please don't vote.

Again, Reagan would actually consult, and take the advice of, an astrologer when making decisions.
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As a skeptic, alleged, do you consider your basis of analysis of any given situation to be that of finding some possibly worse example, and then claiming that the present one must be OK if lesser (in your opinion)?


So, let me ask you:

What has Obama done, or said, or written, that has shown that his pastor is going to have undue influence on Obama or his Presidency?
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You ask, clearly, the wrong irrelevant question. Please try again.
 
It matters in a matter of judgment, and it matters in that if he could not detect obvious, dare I say obscene, racism and conspiratorial woo woo that Randi himself would have a hay day with were it not so politically connected (you do know what forum you are on, don't you?); yet you say "what does it matter". Please don't vote.
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First off, please ditch the arrogance. It gets in the way of your argument.

And yes, what does it matter? Can you show that Obama actually agrees with everything his pastor said? Can you conclusively show that Obama is a believer in the woo?

If you can't, then I'm thinking you're being awfully quick to judge.

As a skeptic, alleged, do you consider your basis of analysis of any given situation to be that of finding some possibly worse example, and then claiming that the present one must be OK if lesser (in your opinion)?
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Are you always so quick to jump to conclusions?

That doesn't seem like something an alleged skeptic would do. You do know which forums you're posting on, correct?

You ask, clearly, the wrong irrelevant question. Please try again.
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Based on what?

Maybe you didn't understand, so I'll post the question again:


What has Obama done, or said, or written, that has shown that his pastor is going to have undue influence on Obama or his Presidency?
 
Elind said:
I am disappointed in your response. I said no such thing, even while I think I can detect squirm in a person, while you can't.

It is his pastor and confidant of 20 years who said not what you suggest, but instead that the evil whites are responsible for aids, drugs, illegally winning WWII and even more. Clearly you have not bothered to pay attention even as you post this comment or you you would have had a more relevant comment.

What matters is the capacity of personal judgment of the one who wants to be our leader (the Decider according to present self declared naming).

I think 20 years of ignoring the obvious is a bad reference. Real bad.
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There is this thing we call a definition, and I don't think that saying those things count as being a "raving racist" under the definition. I think you are goin to need to give me complete quotes, because I don't recall reading those things. I believe he called the atom bombings terrorism, which I don't think raving or racist. And for the drug thing, while his rhetoric was high, it is a fair criticism to say that the formulation of drug laws had a racist streak. I would be interested to see what his whole positions are, rather than a one sentence quotes given in speeches.

As for him saying "God Damn America", I think he does have a point. America's history has hardly been as grand as the statement "God Bless America" would lead one to believe. He just said it in a very over the top way, which I won't hold against him.

And even if he did have really weird ideas, sometimes you overlook them because of other things. Obama liked what the church did in ministering and outreach. He was Obama's spiritual advisor, not historical or political. You can be great in one area and a complete loon in another. In fact, Obama did compare him to an old uncle, he likes him for other things than these more controversial statements.
 
TriskettheKid said:
What has Obama done, or said, or written, that has shown that his pastor is going to have undue influence on Obama or his Presidency?
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He used his line for the title of his book, so clearly he believes that the bombing of Hiroshima was terrorism :rolleyes: .
 
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