Francesca R
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Status has changed to "Going to leave the EU"
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Francesca R
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Better to keep quiet about that one (not that the Aussie PM did) and concentrate on bleeding out the message that Britain's at the back of every queue?
(I suggest there is over pessimism on your side. The appearance is that it smacks of sore loserism. And that's from a remain supporter perspective)
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So they triggered Article 50 then? Missed that memo.
Francesca R
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No but they are going to. At least I think so. As does the Australian government and perhaps a few other folks.
If you don't think the UK's status has changed it is odd you are posting in all these threads about it.
If you don't think the UK's status has changed it is odd you are posting in all these threads about it.
Article 50 hasn't been triggered yet and is not just about to be.
What day did you transfer them ? Just after Leadsom resigned was the best time.
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As I understand it, an EU member cannot initiate trade talks with a non-EU country. The UK is still an EU member AFAIK.
Ignoring the (potential) illegality of the move. How about mentioning that the UK is starting to initiate trade talks and that progress is encouraging ?
ddt
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That's the optimistic view. More probably, the Art 50 process is not completed within two years and the UK is automatically kicked out of the EU without any deal. Extending that deadline indeed requires unanimity. And thereafter, the UK really sits like a beggar at the table, needing a trade deal much much more than the EU.
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The status hasn't change. An intention to change the status in the future has been indicated.
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And so when is Article 50 going to be invoked? Cameron promised he would do, and he broke that promise. His successor has promised to abide by the referendum but is in no hurry either to invoke it. Is this going to happen "like a thief in the night"?
How in the hell do the Tories think that keeping everyone hostage with this limbo situation is going to give them a sympathetic ear at the European divorce table?
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The illegality of the move, if it is so, might be a bit of a blunder as I would think any Johnny Foreigner in Brussels now wanting to stick it to the UK might be able to argue this as either an ipso facto triggering of A50 or at least a breach of EU rules and an excuse to try to kick us out.
That's why I was interested in the actual status and rules. It may be that negotiations are OK provided we don't actually sign anything.
We're paving the way for trade talks which, in the fullness of time, all things considered, when the dust has settled, and after due consultation, might lead to trade talks.
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This. I don't understand this harping on "Labour lost the elections". Even with the near-total collapse of Scottish Labour (-40 seats, I can't quickly find a votes breakdown), they managed an increase in votes of 740,000 or 1.5% Britain-wide, and had a net gain of 16 seats in England and Wales. The governing coalition lost 20 seats.
We're paving the way for trade talks which, in the fullness of time, all things considered, when the dust has settled, and after due consultation, might lead to trade talks.
Will they actually be free trade deals ? Is that really what the UK wants? Is Australia being offered a deal like the £350 million a week offered to the Uk
I can't take any more of this. I'm three birth certificates, one marriage certificate and two death certificates away from an Irish passport. I'm going to the Scottish General Registry Office and the Irish consulate, both in Edinburgh, on Tuesday, to start getting the requisite documents and application forms.And so when is Article 50 going to be invoked? Cameron promised he would do, and he broke that promise. His successor has promised to abide by the referendum but is in no hurry either to invoke it. Is this going to happen "like a thief in the night"?
How in the hell do the Tories think that keeping everyone hostage with this limbo situation is going to give them a sympathetic ear at the European divorce table?
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It's an interesting thought, but that would also be a colossal gamble.
The other EU countries have made it abundantly clear there'll be no negotiations at all until there's a formal letter invoking Article 50. The French FM has openly said that he wants someone he can deal with, and Boris it ain't. Others have said things to the tune whether this is some kind of sick joke.
Cameron hasn't invoked Art. 50, May is now dragging her feet to do so. If, let's say, in a year it turns out that appointing toxic Boris and pie-in-the-sky Davis was just a ruse to let them fall on their own swords, I can't see the other EU countries looking kindly to that. Then 27 other governments have been taken to a ride just for internal Tory politicking.
How do you think they'd react to the UK government then suddenly saying "oh sorry, it was a mistake to ask to leave"? Mind, we only have the opinion of British legal analysts saying that that is possible at all. What matters is the opinion of the ECJ and, even more importantly, that of the other countries at the table. In such a situation, I can only see them playing hardball and say: "Leave is leave. If you now change your mind, well, we'll let you stay in, but you gotta accept Schengen, accept the Euro, and that 100m/week rebate that handbagging bitch negotiated is off the table as well".
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I'm not Bert Koenders, I'm just a private Dutch citizen airing his opinions on the matter.
But what's that? Are you a quitter? Go stand on the steps of Glasgow city hall and proclaim an independent Scotland! Or at least write your MSP that they should do that in Holyrood. After all, Scottish Parliament assented to the Treaty of the Union in 1707, they can also dissolve it.
There are 2 parts to trade and only the second is satisfied by trade deals. I am more concerned with the cost of company readiness in terms of production, logistics, new market understanding, meeting new customers needs, intellectual property etc.
How many companies exporting to the EU are ready to trade in a different market economy and will the Government put in packages of support to help this transition particularly for those smaller exports companies whose only external market is the EU.
How many companies exporting to the EU are ready to trade in a different market economy and will the Government put in packages of support to help this transition particularly for those smaller exports companies whose only external market is the EU.
Having two passports wouldn't prevent me from being involved in that sort of thing. Believe me. I hope Nicola is working on that even now. Can our Scottish parliament dissolve the treaty?
The wigs say no, but in desperation the defenders of the Union are now openly discussing a federal constitution which would grant sovereignty to the autonomous parliaments of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, as an expedient to "save the UK".
Then it may be that Holyrood would have the power to leave the United Kingdom and remain in the EU, rather than subscribe to a federal UK arrangement, and perhaps be forced to leave the EU.
But if opinion calls for it, I'm sure the Scottish government will try to initiate another Scottish independence referendum, whether that is legally valid at the present time or not. Then God knows what will happen.
CapelDodger
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Thank you, Sir Humphrey.We're paving the way for trade talks which, in the fullness of time, all things considered, when the dust has settled, and after due consultation, might lead to trade talks.
CapelDodger
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Very good points. "Free trade" or not, there will be an extra layer of paperwork with the potential for errors, and, as a transport manager friend puts it, "The French will be difficult".
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