Lothian
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Belz...
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Yeah but a Canadian can't identify as European unless they live there and have citizenship.
No, that's not why I said at all. You are twisting my words. Why?
Can I identify as Martian, then?
So how are you European?
I do agree that, economically speaking, larger states seem better.
Francesca R
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No, the government, despite campaigning for remain and informing that it was impossible to reduce immigration to < 100k and stay in the single market and save 350 mill, should still have a plan to go out and deliver that (while several leave figureheads bottle it and vanish). It's a damn scandal that they haven't.
May, as home secretary for many years, had the job of getting immigration down to the 'tens of thousands' promised by the Tory manifestos - a job she has clearly failed to do.
Leadsome showed lack of experience and lack of judgement in handling the 'mothergate' interview and report - but the whole mothergate thing looks like an attempt by the media to smear her.
Under May's leadership, we're likely to get 'Brexit Lite' which will be the worst of all worlds - we'll still have to comply with all EU rules, still have to pay a contribution to the EU and still have to accept uncontrolled immigration - but we'll have even less influence than we did before.
Leadsome showed lack of experience and lack of judgement in handling the 'mothergate' interview and report - but the whole mothergate thing looks like an attempt by the media to smear her.
Under May's leadership, we're likely to get 'Brexit Lite' which will be the worst of all worlds - we'll still have to comply with all EU rules, still have to pay a contribution to the EU and still have to accept uncontrolled immigration - but we'll have even less influence than we did before.
Lothian
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Wrong, the £350m is not to be saved but fully invested in the NHS,
And also used to replace EU funding for Education, farming community etc
It is scandalous that the Government let Paul Daniels die. He could have done this.
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Could you explain the important difference between what you said and my interpretation then?
We've agreed that 'Leaving the EU' can mean something very different based on interpretation and that many people who voted in favour of one interpretation would not be happy with a different one and yet you think it's not important that people didn't know which interpretation they were voting for?
People literally didn't know what they were voting for. And you argue that this is OK?
Furthermore they now have no way to express a preference for any particular outcome or any influence over what happens next.
So if we stay in the EEA we might have a situation where say 70 or 80% of people who voted in the referendum are unhappy with the outcome and can rightly say they didn't vote for that.
How do you resolve that problem in your mind?
In the loudly-proclaimed view of the xenophobes he leads, he's trying to make Brexit work in the face of resistance from the Establishment, which will stop at nothing to thwart the will of the common people. He is the leader of a movement devoted to the cause of liberation, nay the very national salvation, of the "English" people.
But there's nothing further for him to do? Do we believe this?
Was there anything further for Washington to do to secure Independence after the 1776 Declaration? Yes, many hard and dangerous things. Was there anything Robert Bruce had to do after he declared himself king of an Independent Scotland? Lo, verily there was. He "cheerfully bore toil, fatigue, hardship and danger" during the many years of struggle required to make good the independence he had proclaimed. But Farage leaves the responsibility of securing the success of the "independence" struggle to his unfortunate followers.
Will Nigel remain at his important post even if only so that the continental and Scottish MEPs don't start laughing at him again? As I'm sure they will, seeing him scamper off into the distance so soon after his blowhard words to them.
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In fairness to her this was literally impossible and it was repeatedly pointed out to the Tories that they were lying. And people voted for them anyway.
It seems that we're now at the point where people will literally vote for anything and the outcome of that vote is of no importance to them.
Francesca R
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Disgreed, Brexit lite or BRINO is better than Brexit heavy. The more free flow of goods and capital and labour (and services) is preserved the better.
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Remember Farage will continue to accept EU money to do nothing for the remainder of his term so he won't be going anywhere just yet.
He won't of course have a formal role in negotiations but then he hasn't had a formal role in Brexit since the beginning. But the right wing media and the Tories have ensured he had influence way beyond his means.
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And in harsh but fairness to her it was a also a bloody stupid bad idea in the first place (that she signed up to)
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In terms of outcomes probably but in terms of resolving the issues not really.
The country would be better off ignoring the result of the referendum than accepting an EEA solution. So if this is what May wants to negotiate it's a pretty cowardly position to take I think.
At least Leadsom will charge full on into Exit lunacy with a smile on her face.
I'm not entirely sure how we continue with a pro-Remain PM negotiating a reluctant exit from the EU to appease the country based on a vote she didn't call and that might not even be repeated if it was held today.
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Yep. At least she's got a track record of jumping on the stupid ideas bandwagon and then not delivering. Might be a good PM for Brexit after all.
Francesca R
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Put Brexit in the pending tray for a lot later and deal with everything else instead. This is known as "To Merkel", conjugation available on request.
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Okay! But definitely the better of the two.
Whom would you choose as the best candidate?
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Just a minor aside but on top of the number being balls, and everything else that was wrong about leaving the EU, spending that much a week more on the National Health Service is also a very bad use of money IMO.
(Although in popular meme terms more money for the NHS is always and everywhere good)
Just so nobody runs away with the idea that I ever agree with anyone on more than a couple of points at a time.
There's an idea, we could charge each uk resident £160 for a ticket, pay our EU bill and have access to the single market and have freedom of movement.
It's got to be better than paying the extra on food and fuel due to the value of the pound dropping.
I'll see if I can get a parliament petition going
But of course Farage has no inkling of such machinations (or merkelisations) and can quietly go off for a snooze.
Meanwhile the residents of sleepy Rathlin Island (where, allegedly, Bruce encountered the indomitable spider whose example of perseverance inspired him to continue his seemingly hopeless and endless struggle) have roused themselves from their slumbers, and now wish to be transferred from the jurisdiction of N Ireland to that of Scotland in order to remain in the EU.
Bruce and the Spider. Bernard Barton (1784-1849)
The Bruce beheld a spider try
His filmy thread to fling ...
Six times the gossamery thread
The wary spider threw ...
One effort more, his seventh and last!--
The hero hailed the sign!--
And on the wished-for beam hung fast
That slender silken line!
Slight as it was, his spirit caught
The more than omen; for his thought
The lesson well could trace,
Which even "he who runs may read,"
That Perseverance gains its meed,
And Patience wins the race.
His filmy thread to fling ...
Six times the gossamery thread
The wary spider threw ...
One effort more, his seventh and last!--
The hero hailed the sign!--
And on the wished-for beam hung fast
That slender silken line!
Slight as it was, his spirit caught
The more than omen; for his thought
The lesson well could trace,
Which even "he who runs may read,"
That Perseverance gains its meed,
And Patience wins the race.
(I have cited only part of this mind-numbing versification, out of consideration for readers.)
Alas, Farage can't trace this all-important lesson. He "runs", but can't "read". Perhaps a long period of seclusion in a spider-infested cave on Rathlin Island would improve his understanding.
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I only turn on TV once or twice a year, but today I watched (managed to survive listening to!) Andrew Marr's programme. Did anyone see that person he was interviewing just before Jeremy Corbyn? Someone called Arron Banks. I didn't like the sound of him at all, and taking a glance at the wikipedia entry, I find my opinion confirmed.
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