Merged Now What?

[Lothian]

The incident on the tram in Manchester yesterday being a prime example, with a US Army veteran and university lecturer being called a "dirty little immigrant" and told to "get back to Africa" by a bunch of beer-swilling scallies.

I think you will find that the incident was misreported. I am told that the leave voters did not do so for xenophobic reasons whatsoever. What the young gentlemen must have said was "Good sir. I totally respect your views and rights but we feel that all decisions that affect this country are best taken by officials elected in National rather than European wide elections."

 

[asydhouse]

Rule of.......

doesn't exist except in the minds of smug...

 

[MikeG]

You know that isn't a rule, it's a dodge.

Jesus, this gets boring.

Some guy said:

......... They, like you, trumpet this narrow result as a mandate from the whole country, which gives them permission to let the dogs off the leash........

I responded:

......... They, like you, trumpet this narrow result as a mandate from the whole country, which gives them permission to let the dogs off the leashleave the EU.........

FTFY. My insertion highlighted. That is all that is permitted/ required/ mandated by the referendum result. The referendum has given permission for absolutely nothing else.

Now, any fool can see that my post means that the only thing "given permission" (some guy's own words) by the result is to leave the EU. No-one has any right to take any other meaning from either the referendum result, or from my comment. However, that doesn't stop people:

So the massive increase in reported hate crimes is just a coincidence, then?

Rather than respond to this misrepresentation of what I actually said, I highlighted that this is what had happened in the traditional way by demonstrating that the Rule of So applied to IA's post. ...snip...

Edited by jsfisher: 

Edited for compliance with Rules 0 and 12 of the Membership Agreement.

 

[Information Analyst]

I think you will find that the incident was misreported. I am told that the leave voters did not do so for xenophobic reasons whatsoever. What the young gentlemen must have said was "Good sir. I totally respect your views and rights but we feel that all decisions that affect this country are best taken by officials elected in National rather than European wide elections."

Ah, Manc accents - very confusing....

 

[Information Analyst]

IA's modus operandi is to look for the little one-liner gotcha post, and to hell with the reality of the other poster's position. Like I said, it gets boring.

Wow! I'll just shut up and **** off then, shall I?

 

[MikeG]

Wow! I'll just shut up and **** off then, shall I?

No, please don't, at least not on my account. I value your posts. But do try to avoid twisting my words.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Jesus, this gets boring.

Some guy said:



I responded:







Now, any fool can see that my post means that the only thing "given permission" (some guy's own words) by the result is to leave the EU. No-one has any right to take any other meaning from either the referendum result, or from my comment. However, that doesn't stop people:



Rather than respond to this misrepresentation of what I actually said, I highlighted that this is what had happened in the traditional way by demonstrating that the Rule of So applied to IA's post. IA's modus operandi is to look for the little one-liner gotcha post, and to hell with the reality of the other poster's position. Like I said, it gets boring.

No IA pointed out that people reacted in a completely predictable way to the vote and your suggestion that they shouldn't have was just finding a flimsy way to defend your rather inexcusable position that the Leave vote hasn't enabled and encouraged racists.

 

[quadraginta]

So the massive increase in reported hate crimes is just a coincidence, then?

So........

Rule of.......

That isn't a 'straw man'. That's a question.

Why are you trying to avoid answering it?

 

[quadraginta]

Specialist working vehicle. Virtually nobody would use one one as a regular personal vehicle.

It isn't clear to me how that brings its classification as a car into question.

Checker Marathons were intended primarily for fleet use, usually as taxi cabs, but I never heard anyone claim that they shouldn't be considered cars.

But whatever. Maybe it's a peculiarly British thing.

 

[ceptimus]

Specialist working vehicle. Virtually nobody would use one one as a regular personal vehicle.

Stephen Fry has one (or at least he did have). I suspect it was mainly so that he could get away with driving in taxi lanes in London, but he also drove it around the USA when making a TV series.

ETA: Here's a list of other celebs who drove them at one time or another. http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/wh...ook-arnold-schwarzenegger-stephen-fry-8926038

 

[3point14]

Stephen Fry has one (or at least he did have). I suspect it was mainly so that he could get away with driving in taxi lanes in London, but he also drove it around the USA when making a TV series.

Did I hear somewhere that Prince Charles owns a London Cab?

 

[ceptimus]

Did I hear somewhere that Prince Charles owns a London Cab?

Yeah, I just edited my post to add a link to a list of celebs - I think you were probably remembering Prince Philip who is mentioned there, but maybe Charles had one too.

Here's the link again: http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/wh...ook-arnold-schwarzenegger-stephen-fry-8926038

 

[asydhouse]

Jesus, this gets boring.

Some guy said:



I responded:







Now, any fool can see that my post means that the only thing "given permission" (some guy's own words) by the result is to leave the EU. No-one has any right to take any other meaning from either the referendum result, or from my comment. However, that doesn't stop people:



Rather than respond to this misrepresentation of what I actually said, I highlighted that this is what had happened in the traditional way by demonstrating that the Rule of So applied to IA's post. IA's modus operandi is to look for the little one-liner gotcha post, and to hell with the reality of the other poster's position. Like I said, it gets boring.

********. Bs.

I have had this "discussion" with another poster who touts the so-called "rule of so", which as someone said a few posts ago is just a dodge made up to obfuscate, like the notion of "political correctness" which certain types use to protest much against progressive social ideas.

He at least came up with a definition, (he claimed that if people confuse the issue under discussion by introducing bogus tangents, then it violates the "rule of so") which would be plausible if it were ever used in the context he proposed for it, but which in fact I have never seen to be the case, as in this instance.

"So" is a perfectly useful conjunction, or whatever the correct grammatical term would be, to indicate that the following statement is a natural consequence of the statement prior. Information Analyst made the perfectly correct observation that you are trying to deny that the Brexit result has encouraged the racists among us to act out. He did this by linking his statement to your assertion that the result has no impact on society, being solely a constitutionally relevant ruling.

It is obvious that this whole discussion has been about your denial of the consequences in society of this result.

You double down and insist that your obfuscation of the discussion is above criticism, and that the rest of us are … what? I can't be bothered to try to paint the picture of your antics.

The whole thing is pointless and boring, as you say. Keep digging your bloody hole and climb down into it, I don't care. You have shown what you are. Everyone can see it.

You should check yourself, mate.

 

[Giz]

No IA pointed out that people reacted in a completely predictable way to the vote and your suggestion that they shouldn't have was just finding a flimsy way to defend your rather inexcusable position that the Leave vote hasn't enabled and encouraged racists.

The logical conclusion to your position is that voting leave was intrinsically inexcusable (as it enabled and encouraged racists).

This is just trying to shame people into only feeling it is acceptable to vote a certain way. Only a monster would vote Leave (or Tory, or for Lord Sutch).

 

[CapelDodger]

No, it's still about being to brown of skin. There's just a new term used to hide this.

Well, duh.

This is not to say that enormous progress on racism has not been made since the 50's when I was born, manifesting more in the young than in the old.

 

[Lothian]

The logical conclusion to your position is that voting leave was intrinsically inexcusable (as it enabled and encouraged racists).

This is just trying to shame people into only feeling it is acceptable to vote a certain way. Only a monster would vote Leave (or Tory, or for Lord Sutch).

No the question is not whether the negative things arising from the vote outweigh the positive, that it a different question. It is whether there are any negatives (particularly a rise in racism) arising as a result. The consensus appears to be that it is as a result. A leave advocare doesn't want that to be the case.

 

[Klimax]

Just an interesting article:
Don't be fooled by Theresa May – she's no progressive Conservative

 

[Francesca R]

Oh. I thought she was "Jezza-lite" and all.

 

[Hlafordlaes]

Just an interesting article:
Don't be fooled by Theresa May – she's no progressive Conservative

That was doubly depressing. Had no idea the laws in the UK for non-EEC were so draconian. But in general, immigrants most everywhere have no right to suffer the same slings and arrows of fate as other mortals, and must be supermen/women at all times. Wonder if Ms May expects immigrant males to also be perfect fathers, even while deporting them if they lose a job; this in spite of paying in to unemployment insurance.

Theresa should be fined into poverty and then sent to wash dishes in some greasy spoon in Asia, one way ticket and a revoked work permit. Then severely punished and jailed locally if not making rent or similar infractions, or if found to be working. Free education.

/I quite obviously took a sudden strong disliking.

 

[Ashorn]

Boris or Theresa?

I think I must be living in some sort of parallel universe where Theresa May is actually the better choice...

(assuming those are the last two standing which is I imagine the best guess at the moment)