Klimax
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Why have it easy, when it can be complicated...
Has the BofE paid 3.1 billion to UK banks today. This is the report in the Irish papers http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2016/0628/798738-bank-of-england/
catsmate
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Another snippet from the BBC news ticker
I thought it wasn't about immigration
At least that's what they were saying yesterday
Liechtenstein is part of the EEA like Norway, and is also a member of the Schengen pact.
catsmate
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That's about right for the liquidity auction.
Archie Gemmill Goal
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Liechtenstein is part of the EEA like Norway, and is also a member of the Schengen pact.
Liechtenstein negotiated some exceptions to free movement but it was solely based on its tiny size and high % immigrants already.
This is just more UKIP nonsense peddled to the unthinking who will accept 2+2= 5 one day and then 3 then next if it suits their needs.
Ambiguity in a contract is interpreted in favour of the non-writing party. As it is an EU document ambiguity is in favour of the negotiating party.
and I can go back to cleaning with Jif again.
if they had promised this i would have voted leave too!
angrysoba
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True enough. He's also rather *leaver gentleman's club old-school major-type army cap on* rather cosmopolitan ol' chap.
But this is the Tory leadership election and the vote is not given to the rabble. Maggie must have been a shock too and she also didn't appeal to the ol' school either.
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Of course. Only some fraction of those voters is racist ignorants.
In this very thread there are links about various racist acts done by people emboldened by result of vote. So yes, everyone that voted Leave IS enabler of bigotry and recession, regardless of actual reason for voting Leave.
Enjoy your company on that side. I doubt it will give you pause or make you wonder if your side is actually right.
LondonJohn
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To be fair, that's not what Mader Levap is saying or implying: (s)he is arguing that those who voted "Leave" have (unwittingly or not) become enablers of bigotry or racism.
While I have little or no doubt that even those who voted "Leave" based upon strong feelings about immigration could not (in the majority) be classified as racists or bigots, it's fairly clear that a) a proportion were/are bigots and racists, and b) a small fraction of that proportion saw the "Leave" majority as some form of "permission" to embark upon their disgusting (though thankfully so far apparently mostly verbal/written) attacks on immigrants and people of non-white ethnicity.
And I also think that an argument might be made that all those who voted "Leave" from a well-informed, well-reasoned perspective might have been able to foresee this sort of thing as an unintended potential consequence of a "Leave" majority - as might those who voted "Remain" with a decent understanding of the issues and implications. But even if I had come to a reasoned decision to vote "Leave", I wouldn't have been put off voting that way simply because I worried that a "Leave" majority might result in this sort of abhorrent behaviour. And I also suspect that a sizeable proportion (maybe a majority) of "Leave" voters didn't even ever consider this as a potential consequence of a "Leave" majority outcome, since so many were under-informed.
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A lot of racists seem to think they represent the 'silent majority' and are going to see the Brexit result as a validation of that belief, regardless of reality. The result has emboldened them, even if the vast majority of Leave voters would be repelled by their actions.
dudalb
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Watch the level of violence in the UK against "foreigners" rise over the next few months.
It's clear that the Brexit leaders who did so for economic reasons (they think a Non EU British government will be a lot easier to push around) now find the UKIP wing of the Leave movement an embarrassment and counterproductive and now that they have served their purpose they are going to be jettisoned. But they won't go away that easily.
If you lie down with the dogs, expect to get some fleas,as the saying goes.
Damien Evans
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This is incorrect, and not what they say in the article. It must get a majority of the vote and win in a majority of the states. So if the overall vote is 55% for, and it gets a majority in Tasmania, South Australia, Western Australia and Victoria it would pass, but if you had one that was 55% for and only Victoria, New South Wales and Queensland voted yes, it would fail.
Damien Evans
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Wouldn't do any such thing. Principle of National Self-Determination would trump it.
Damien Evans
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Read the article, that isn't what The Guardian said. Craig misquoted them.
ETA: Sorry, didn't see the article had been edited.
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Sure, but that's entirely in line with what I said is probably (at least part of) his reasoning.
McHrozni
You're quoting me, and then making an assumption about the way I voted, if I voted at all. That assumption is unsubstantiated. Do you often jump to conclusions without evidence? Further, the logic (if it could be called that) of your comment is that there was no bigotry before the vote, because only the vote enabled it to occur. Same with market fluctuations (your economic illiteracy is revealing too, as it takes 6 months for a recession to be declared). This is a critical thinking forum here: I suggest starting with "thinking" before you move onto the more complex "critical thinking".
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