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Also it looked like if Farage is hell bent on offending as many MEPs as possible. Almost as if he wants torpedo any chances on relatively good agreements.

This 'victory' will cost him a comfortable and well-paying job. Of course he wants to make UK reconsider. It would also guarantee him the job in perpetuity, since the UKIP can probably muster enough idiots to keep him elected over and over again.

McHrozni
 
If you lie down with the dogs, expect to get some fleas,as the saying goes.

If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.

Brevity is the soul of wit, dear boy!

This is not a convincing argument. An argument stands and falls on its own merits, not on who is making it. That's Reason and Argument 101: if Hitler is a vegetarian the vegetarianism must be wrong.

I noticed this argument made a lot on social media in the run-up to the referendum, and it is indeed a tempting one. If Nigel Farage, Nick Griffin, Vladimir Putin, Donald Trump, Marine Le Pen and George Galloway agree on something then that something is wrong. Yet the same people have claimed to be on the same side on the Iraq War as well, therefore the Iraq War was a Good Thing.

No, Brexit was a mistake regardless of who supported it.
 
This 'victory' will cost him a comfortable and well-paying job. Of course he wants to make UK reconsider.........

Huh? You think Farage is deliberately trying to scupper Brexit so he can keep his MEP job? CT is thataway------>
 
You're quoting me, and then making an assumption about the way I voted, if I voted at all. That assumption is unsubstantiated. Do you often jump to conclusions without evidence? Further, the logic (if it could be called that) of your comment is that there was no bigotry before the vote, because only the vote enabled it to occur. Same with market fluctuations (your economic illiteracy is revealing too, as it takes 6 months for a recession to be declared). This is a critical thinking forum here: I suggest starting with "thinking" before you move onto the more complex "critical thinking".

Think it's you that needs to engage your faculties.

Nobody knows how you voted but you've peddled the Leave line for months so you are complicit in the result. If you didn't actually believe all the tripe you spouted and voted against it makes you at best a bit silly and at worst a Farage style loon.
 
Huh? You think Farage is deliberately trying to scupper Brexit so he can keep his MEP job? CT is thataway------>

It wouldn't be first nor last "euroskeptic" idiot to do that. (Be loud mouth but keep getting euro and doing nothing - we got quite few like that in EP)
 
If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.

Brevity is the soul of wit, dear boy!

This is not a convincing argument. An argument stands and falls on its own merits, not on who is making it. That's Reason and Argument 101: if Hitler is a vegetarian the vegetarianism must be wrong.

I noticed this argument made a lot on social media in the run-up to the referendum, and it is indeed a tempting one. If Nigel Farage, Nick Griffin, Vladimir Putin, Donald Trump, Marine Le Pen and George Galloway agree on something then that something is wrong. Yet the same people have claimed to be on the same side on the Iraq War as well, therefore the Iraq War was a Good Thing.

No, Brexit was a mistake regardless of who supported it.

It's not so much who as what they were saying. Bojo and Gove were very careful to distance themselves just enough from Farage but still benefit from his xenophobia and lies about immigrants.

If it wasn't about immigration and foreigners then why spend so much time focussed on that issue and why not just cut Farage down on it? Because they knew it played to their audience.

Every single voxpop from a leaver I have seen has been along the lines of ' good send em home' and yes that's a selected group to make a point but it's not difficult to find them. And it's the result of a nasty streak of xenophobia in the nation coupled with a concerted media propaganda campaign.

Trying to deny it or write it off as a tiny minority ignores the reality.
 
You're quoting me, and then making an assumption about the way I voted, if I voted at all. That assumption is unsubstantiated. Do you often jump to conclusions without evidence? Further, the logic (if it could be called that) of your comment is that there was no bigotry before the vote, because only the vote enabled it to occur. Same with market fluctuations (your economic illiteracy is revealing too, as it takes 6 months for a recession to be declared). This is a critical thinking forum here: I suggest starting with "thinking" before you move onto the more complex "critical thinking".



You've got some nerve accusing Mader Levap of jumping to conclusions without evidence (despite there being evidence that you support Leave in this very thread) and then doing the same old misrepresentation of his post that you have earlier done with me, so that you can pretend you are making a reasonable point. In other words you are doing a straw man, and then getting on your high horse about critical thinking, while throwing in a gratuitous insult.

What a fine example you are!

This vote has enabled the closet racists to emerge from their hidey holes because they think your much touted "British people" have voted against immigrants, in their narrow-eyed view of what the vote as about.*

That's a simple and clear fact. Your pretence at not getting that, and your continual misrepresentation of what some of us are saying with regards to that, just shows how much you would like to validate the lying methods of the Leave campaign.

I wouldn't accept anything you say as valid or trustworthy, at this point, including your assumption of competence in analysing the behaviour of the markets.



ETA: * Just to be clear: A minority of British people have a xenophobic/racist undercurrent in their thinking (and the older they are, the closer to the surface that river runs), but the direction of public discourse and cultural activity/impulse over the last several decades has caused them to keep that instinct under check. This vote has emboldened them to speak up, under the delusion that the rest of us think the same. They, like you, trumpet this narrow result as a mandate from the whole country, which gives them permission to let the dogs off the leash.

Anyone who doesn't see that is either not being honest, or plain self-absorbed stupid. I wonder which category your misrepresentations and bogus arguments flow from, but I don't care. The result is all the same. If there's one thing this board has taught me, it's that there's no hope of either sort being open to reason. You will simply double down and carry on, just as the Leave campaign carried on, even after the result, insisting that "we send 350 million to the EU", even though it is a bald faced lie. Such contempt for the populace has been shown to work, as there is no consequence to having the lies exposed. If this result shows anything, it's that lying in public office is a viable political strategy. It's a lesson you seem to have taken to heart, since you continue to lie about what others have said in order to pretend that your superior intellect is a shining beacon of truth. Just like Farage, that bitter twerp that even in victory acts with spiteful vindictiveness. He's lucky no one has punched him in his fast smug face.

Don't worry, I'm not threatening to punch yours.
 
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Huh? You think Farage is deliberately trying to scupper Brexit so he can keep his MEP job? CT is thataway------>

Not really, it's just the only logical reason why he would want to put the UK in as difficult position as possible.

It also could be he's just a full-blown moron, but seeing as he is able to walk on two feet and either speak or at least emulate human speech better than most birds, I doubt that's the case.

McHrozni
 
It's not so much who as what they were saying. Bojo and Gove were very careful to distance themselves just enough from Farage but still benefit from his xenophobia and lies about immigrants.

If it wasn't about immigration and foreigners then why spend so much time focussed on that issue and why not just cut Farage down on it? Because they knew it played to their audience.

Every single voxpop from a leaver I have seen has been along the lines of ' good send em home' and yes that's a selected group to make a point but it's not difficult to find them. And it's the result of a nasty streak of xenophobia in the nation coupled with a concerted media propaganda campaign.

Trying to deny it or write it off as a tiny minority ignores the reality.

I agree that the number of people who voted for it makes a difference, obviously. And I certainly agree that Brexit would not have won without the racist vote.

From that point of view, yes, pandering to the racists to get the vote over the line is simply fishing in the gutter.
 
You've got some nerve accusing Mader Levap of jumping to conclusions without evidence (despite there being evidence that you support Leave in this very thread) and then doing the same old misrepresentation of his post that you have earlier done with me, so that you can pretend you are making a reasonable point. In other words you are doing a straw man, and then getting on your high horse about critical thinking, while throwing in a gratuitous insult.

What a fine example you are!.........

Let's have a look at this then shall we. Here is what he/she said:

......everyone that voted Leave IS enabler of bigotry and recession..........

Enable.

Give (someone) the authority or means to do something; make it possible for:


If one enables X by an action, it is logical that X was not enabled previously. Follow? "I enable the tree creeper to escape from the house by opening the window" means the poor bird couldn't get out until I enabled it by my action.

There was nothing about the state of the country which prevented nauseating racist behaviour before the referendum. Agreed? (Otherwise you will have to demonstrate that there was no such incidents, which is ridiculous). Ergo, there was nothing enabled by the referendum which wasn't possible previously.

Therefore you are wrong on the "enabler of bigotry" accusation, to go along with you ignorance of the meaning of the word "recession".
 
I agree that the number of people who voted for it makes a difference, obviously. And I certainly agree that Brexit would not have won without the racist vote.

From that point of view, yes, pandering to the racists to get the vote over the line is simply fishing in the gutter.
It was older people bothering to vote and young hardly

It's done
 
I can't believe the UK thought they could keep all the good bits and lose all the bad
 
So? Anyone can read a dictionary. I just don't trust you. I'm not talking about recession. Maybe you really just can't understand what people write...

Calm down. You aren't doing yourself any favours. Here is the original:

.......everyone that voted Leave IS enabler of bigotry and recession,.......

Don't accuse me of not being able to understand what people write when it is clear you are the person who has got hold of the wrong end of the stick.

How can anyone say a group of people have enabled a recession 5 days after a vote when a recession, by definition, is a minimum of 2 quarters (ie 6 months) long?
 
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.......They, like you, trumpet this narrow result as a mandate from the whole country, which gives them permission to let the dogs off the leash leave the EU...........

FTFY. My insertion highlighted. That is all that is permitted/ required/ mandated by the referendum result. The referendum has given permission for absolutely nothing else.
 
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