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I don't disagree with the sentiment. However, in the back of my mind that is exactly the problem - do "something".
I am not convinced that either the population as a whole or - specifically- the Leave campaigners had or have a clear idea what that something IS.
To me that is deeply unsatisfactory.
If there had been a clear plan that people had voted for, then there really could have been no question. There wasn't...
They voted to leave the EU. That much is clear. I don't like the result but that's the result we got.
Huh? If iScotland refuses to take on a fair proportion of the debt burden when it splits with rUK, then while of course that won't constitute a formal default, it will almost certainly be viewed by investors as such.
So another vote for no default. 3-0 now. Then some more assertion about how it really is one with no supporting evidence.
Imagine if a boyfriend and girlfriend split up, and they had 6 months previously taken out a 3-year £1,000 loan in the gf's name and via the gf's bank to buy a new fridge, a new freezer and a new set of furniture (all of which they both used of course). Before the break-up, they both paid half the monthly loan repayment each (they were on similar salaries). Imagine if, come the break-up, the bf said "Right, well I'm not going to pay my half of the loan payments now - the loan's in your name so it's your problem. But of course I'll be taking my half of the goods - let's say the freezer and half the furniture - with me thanks. Bye!"
Yes imagine. Who decides who is on the hook for how much of the debt? Not the gf. She doesn't get to say, hey that loan I took out in my name you need to pay half of it. And if she does the bf can say 'why? I'm not going to' and the only person the loan company will ever pursue for the debt is the gf. If the bf applies for a mortgage they aren't going say 'hey but you didn't keep paying off your gf's loan after you split up so your credit rating is bad'
That's why it's important to consider what the FACTS are and not how you might like the world to be or what you think should happen or how you might like it to play out in your fantasy where the bf gets his comeuppance. The courts and the law are the relevant things.
Now if someone, anyone, wants to explain how the Scotland default scenario plays out through the law I'm all ears. Because the ONLY way it happens is if rUK agree to it or if some third party determines its 'fair'.
Disagreed--they will assess on how it looks (to them) not what they are told by politicians.
I will assume that is what passes muster for you as a "sensible conversation about politics"
Were we having a sensible conversation? Sorry I couldn't hear it over some woman repeatedly shouting 'default'. You might have to speak up a bit.
That's ********. A minority of people have followed the lies of the shower of pirates led by Gove and Bojo and that duping of the populace should have been illegal. Why is it legal to parade a lie on the side of a bus for weeks after it was exposed as a lie?
Why should a vote resulting from such deception have any credibility?
Normally a constitutional level change has to be by some large majority, not allowing a 50/50 split to determine such a fundamental change in national circumstances. Cameron's stupidity in not ensuring a proper set up of this referendum to dmand at least a 60%, or preferably ⅔ of the vote, has given us a result which can not be accepted as legitimate.
If not for the lies, we could accept it. But the nearness of the vote, the Bregret buffoons who voted flippantly, and the brazen lying and false promises of the Leave campaigners have all by themselves made this result null and void.
So shut up with your "the people" ********.
I regard this petition on the government's own website as an automatic second referendum, but one which enables everyone to have an input, not just the over 18s. I'm hoping that everyone in the country who doesn't feel represented by the result of the referendum will sign it, and reach over 20 million signatories, which will show that "the people" have not in fact chosen to be railroaded by the lying likes of Gove and Bojo and Farage into this debacle.
That some here call it "ridiculous" is more a sign of anti-democratic mind set and typical ignoring of reality by Leavers.
The petition is not even ridiculous its worse than that. The idea that a nonsense e-petition supported by even a few million signatures trumps a formal referendum where 75% of the electorate voted is stupid and undemocratic. Why have the referendum at all? Just have a poll on Twitter.
You don't like the result. I know. But it is the result. I don't like it either. I think the people who voted that way are idiots or worse. But we had this after the Indyref too. The result is in. It's not going to change. It shouldn't change.
Changing the rules after the vote would be ridiculous and anti-democratic. If you want Britain to be in the EU then you need to start campaigning to rejoin at the first opportunity after the next election.
"I regard this petition on the government's own website as an automatic second referendum" is one of the stupidest things I have seen to date on this site and there's plenty competition for that accolade.
- who interestingly claimed to be a small businessman, my understanding was that he was "encouraged" to leave the family firm because he wasn't up to running it.