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No I don't think there is a mechanism to eject a country from the EU; IIRC there are mechanisms for suspending EU spending programs which are being lined up against right wing governments (Hungary & Poland IIRC). Less of a threat against a net contributor.



Nice precedent in Sweden's adoption of the euro; agreed in principle but they never get round to doing it.

Or Czech Republic. Not that anybody needs to punish us as we are punished more then enough by our own central bank... (currently the only bankers I would love to send to either Sun or nearest back hole)

I don't think the Brexiters have fully appreciated the scale of the task ahead of us. This could seriously bog down Parliament for years and mean we can't get ahead in addressing the real concerns of the country.

Unpicking every stitch of EU legislation in UK law is not going to be a simple task
That patchwork of law will be definitely sight to behold. Fortunately I am not British. Unfortunately, I got relatives there.
 
As Thursday's vote shows sometimes politics doesn't follow 'what's best for everyone' logic.

We already had tariff free trade with Europe and people threw it away so it obviously wasn't all that important to them.

As has been repeated many times the idea that Romania will vote to benefit the UK and German car industry unless they get something important for themselves is a non-starter. So we end up in a horse trading scenario where everyone get's their little bit of sweetener and the UK have to concede something here and there. And that's what the damn EU was the outcome of years of doing!

If you want to trade with Europe join the damn EU!

Tell that to the USA & China!
 
Klimax we haven't even left yet. We are a fully paid up EU member state, with all of the obligations and privileges that come with that, up until we invoke article 50 and formally declare an intent to leave the EU.

At this point it's highly likely that we will invoke A50 ~ October, but until that happens EU leaders can rant and rave all they like, but they cannot force us out.

It remains possible, if say the "round 2" petition gets enough traction, (like about another 16million signatures) that there will yet be another referendum.

It's also possible that a new PM will call a snap election with EU membership being the main issue.

Both of these scenarios are highly unlikely, but they remain a possibility.

Our referendum was won by a narrow majority, it's not legally binding, our country is split ~50/50 our PM has resigned, and our economy is, lets say "volatile". We need to get a handle on a few things here before we go ahead with formally invoking article 50.

One thing that is certain from all of this fall out is that our world is much more interconnected than we think. What effects one country has a knock on effect on others. So taking rash decisions is not in anyones interest.

Slamming doors, making examples, are emotional heat of the moment responses, and right now we need calm measured decisions.



Exactly.

Sorry, but you are as good as out already. You have been already excluded from at least one meeting an patience in EU is not currently in good supply. And according to leaked German plan for Brexit is to make you pay. And especially NO automatic access to unified market...

I would guess that at least 6-8b € will be required to have some of old privileges back. And no rebates nor EU development programs.
 
Sorry, but you are as good as out already. You have been already excluded from at least one meeting an patience in EU is not currently in good supply.

The referendum result happened ~48 hours ago. Our parliament doesn't get back until Monday and nothing much is likely to happen till then at the very earliest.

I understand patience is thin on the ground right now, but in a couple of weeks when emotions aren't running as high as they are right now.

The Germans and others might well have plans to make examples of member states whose populations express a desire to leave, but when things cool down saner heads will prevail.

The UK is almost certainly going to leave the EU. We need to negotiate the best deal we can to do that for the UK, and the remaining EU members need to negotiate the best deal for them. It's going to be a very long process.
 
...... And especially NO automatic access to unified market.......

If you mean the single market.........Brexiteers are specifically excluding remaining a member of the single market, so the rest of your post amounts to a red straw herring man, or something.
 
Germany doesn't only produce luxury cars. A few grand on the price won't effect luxury sales all that much, but VW aren't going to shift nearly as many of their more budget cars in such a scenario.

It's also just an example. We import a LOT of stuff from the EU. If the price of all of that goes up a bunch then we'll buy less of it, and everyones economy will suffer. Tit for Tat tariffs don't help anyone.

I responded because 'German cars' keeps being given as the example and I think it's a bad one.

I also think Volswagon's are relatively pricey...;)
 
So did Switzerland leave the EU, or were they never part of it? Did the sky fall when switzerland did or didn't leave?

I don't quite understand the EU, and Switzerland, Norway and Sweden's parts in it
 
If you mean the single market.........Brexiteers are specifically excluding remaining a member of the single market, so the rest of your post amounts to a red straw herring man, or something.

Eh, I have just stated what leaked document contained. If prevailing Brexiters don't want that I doubt it will break Germany's heart...
 
So did Switzerland leave the EU, or were they never part of it? Did the sky fall when switzerland did or didn't leave?

I don't quite understand the EU, and Switzerland, Norway and Sweden's parts in it

They were never part of it. Parts of EU legislation and directives would interfere with their banking sector. All three countries had their own reasons why not to join EU (Norway due to whaling IIRC, don't know about Sweden)
 
The referendum result happened ~48 hours ago. Our parliament doesn't get back until Monday and nothing much is likely to happen till then at the very earliest.

I understand patience is thin on the ground right now, but in a couple of weeks when emotions aren't running as high as they are right now.

The Germans and others might well have plans to make examples of member states whose populations express a desire to leave, but when things cool down saner heads will prevail.

The UK is almost certainly going to leave the EU. We need to negotiate the best deal we can to do that for the UK, and the remaining EU members need to negotiate the best deal for them. It's going to be a very long process.
This ^^^^
 
They were never part of it. Parts of EU legislation and directives would interfere with their banking sector. All three countries had their own reasons why not to join EU (Norway due to whaling IIRC, don't know about Sweden)

Actually Sweden joined the EU in 1995 (after holding a referendum).
 
The UK is almost certainly going to leave the EU. We need to negotiate the best deal we can to do that for the UK, and the remaining EU members need to negotiate the best deal for them. It's going to be a very long process.
The process will take at least two years. Two years is an enormously long time in politics, especially starting from such a chaotic situation in both main parties following the virtual elimination of what was the third.

The deal arrived at will show no gains from leaving. That will become clear along the way, so it'll take an effort of will to continue.
 
The process will take at least two years.

I know this is now accepted but it occurred to me today that it seems to be based on A50 having a two year time limit to negotiate a deal? That would suggest its possible to conclude sooner if a deal could be reached quicker?

Or is there a 2 year notice period for the EU separate to that?
 
perhaps the continual stream of this sort of tripe http://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-who-wish-theyd-voted-to-remain-a3280361.html

gets louder and louder until *someone* feels that running on a platform of overturning the referendum before it is enacted becomes viable. .

that escalated quickly. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...emocrats-live-policy-stay-leave-a7103186.html

The Liberal Democrats will stand at the next general election on a platform of derailing Brexit and keeping Britain in the European Union, the party has announced.

Leader Tim Farron said on Saturday night that he would be “clear and unequivocal” with voters that if elected it would set aside the referendum result and keep Britain in the EU.

He said the referendum result amounted to a “howl of anger” at politicians and that the election of a liberal government would be a way of registering a change of heart by the electorate
 
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