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Archie Gemmill Goal said:
It seems to be Cameron's decision - which presumably means he could have resigned from the EU without a referendum if he had wanted to? - but there was no requirement for Cameron to do it immediately following the referendum. Technically there's no requirement for him to do it at all.

Presumably Parliament could force him to implement the decision if it came to it and they voted that way.
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A confidence vote to remove him would, I believe, be the only real measure they could use.
 
Ambrosia said:
We're not asking for "sweet deals". I don't know what country you're from Klimax. The UK does a lot of trade with Europe. This is going to continue happening. Lets stick with German cars as an example. We still will want to buy similar numbers of German cars next year. German car makers want to sell as many of their cars as they can, so it's in their interests to not cut off their nose to spite their face.

Feelings are running high right now, but give it a month or two. Most European countries and businesses that export cars or widgets or whatever to the UK are going to want to keep doing this trade. It's not like the economies of all of Europe are super robust and could absorb losing a lot of trade overnight.

Once people have calmed down pragmatism and capitalism will trump sabre rattling.

The UK isn't going to get "Sweet Deals" but we will very likely get deals that are good for both the UK and Europe. Not as good as we had when we were in the EU, but still good enough.
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I hear the German cars argument a lot and it just doesn't make sense to me. Of course they want to continue to sell their cars but our consumers will also continue to want to buy them. I assume the argument is that if the EU applies extra tariffs to our goods then in a tit for tat we'll apply extra tariffs to theirs and that will push the price of eg BMWs up. Germany won't care about that because people will still buy them. BMWs are as much a status purchase as a choice for reliability (until recently Toyota's were regularly shown to be more reliable) and people already pay well over the odds compared to a similar car from say Ford or Vauxhall. Another few grand on the price will make sod all difference to their sales, may even make them more of a status symbol.
 
MikeG said:
Luckily, it is perfectly obvious to everyone reading these words that you haven't the first idea what you are talking about. For instance, I am on record in here, months ago, as saying that were I to vote leave one of my primary reasons would be the barriers the EU raises in its trade with Africa. That's pretty much the antithesis of racist. A friend of mine is a Lib Dem peer who voted Leave (yes, really) because of the democratic deficit of the EU, and because of it's trade barriers with the third world. Please tell me he's racist, and I'll then list his works in the third world, and in the charitable sector.

ETA.........just for fun, if Boris Johnson is a racist, how come he married someone who is half Indian?
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Farage is married to a German....just saying ;).

As it happens I think Boris probably is casually racist in a sort of gently ignorant and non-personal way.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
People will still buy their BMWs but thry will pay more for them, BMW buyers aren't going to suddenly buy something else. People will still buy French Wine but will pay kore for it. French wine drinkers tend not to buy the cheap plonk from Australia and the New World so a prife increase won't stop them.
I will still buy good european wine ,cheeses, meat products etc I will just have to spend more on them.
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Indeed, I should have checked further before making my post as yours is more eloquent!
 
Lothian said:
You seem a tad confused. The areas with the highest leave percentage were the East and West Midlands. They are both way down South.
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Yes but its rare to get an opportunity to bash the north.

But I don't have to travel very far from where I live to get to leave areas. I think east of the North Circular in Barking does it.
 
The wording about triggering A50 is very vague. Nowhere does it say that an official letter from the leaving country's leader or government is required.

Euro lawyers are now arguing that when Cameron meets with other EU leaders early next week for 'discussions' then those discussions will trigger Article 50 and the two-year-clock which can only be extended by unanimous agreement of all EU members will start running.
 
It does seem a bit silly that at least in theory the UK can simply continue to be a member of the EU and that the government cannot be forced by either the people or the EU to actually do the thing they've said they will do.

I mean at the ridiculous extreme DC could have stayed in office for another few years and not triggered A50 officially. I never checked what the process is for a member to be kicked out of the EU but assume there must also be one
 
ceptimus said:
The wording about triggering A50 is very vague. Nowhere does it say that an official letter from the leaving country's leader or government is required.

Euro lawyers are now arguing that when Cameron meets with other EU leaders early next week for 'discussions' then those discussions will trigger Article 50 and the two-year-clock which can only be extended by unanimous agreement of all EU members will start running.
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Schulz demands that Cameron delivers the letter at that meeting on Tuesday.
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
I mean at the ridiculous extreme DC could have stayed in office for another few years and not triggered A50 officially. I never checked what the process is for a member to be kicked out of the EU but assume there must also be one
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No I don't think there is a mechanism to eject a country from the EU; IIRC there are mechanisms for suspending EU spending programs which are being lined up against right wing governments (Hungary & Poland IIRC). Less of a threat against a net contributor.

It does seem a bit silly that at least in theory the UK can simply continue to be a member of the EU and that the government cannot be forced by either the people or the EU to actually do the thing they've said they will do.
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Nice precedent in Sweden's adoption of the euro; agreed in principle but they never get round to doing it.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Schulz demands that Cameron delivers the letter at that meeting on Tuesday.
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Yeah that sort of attitude is part of the reason so many people voted to leave the EU. Not being told what to do by Schultz and others of his ilk is something many look forward to.
 
MikeG said:
Yeah that sort of attitude is part of the reason so many people voted to leave the EU. Not being told what to do by Schultz and others of his ilk is something many look forward to.
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We can be told what to do by Farage and his ilk instead. Since he seemingly agrees.
 
MikeG said:
Yeah that sort of attitude is part of the reason so many people voted to leave the EU. Not being told what to do by Schultz and others of his ilk is something many look forward to.
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They are royally pissed. French foreign minister has also demanded Camoron's immediate resignation. They take you at your collective word and are not in the mood for lengthy games, it seems.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Schulz demands that Cameron delivers the letter at that meeting on Tuesday.
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My German isn't good enough to understand it and switching the site to English plus a search on Schulz doesn't get me to the same article. Any chance you could link to the English version? Cheers!
 
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Archie Gemmill Goal said:
It does seem a bit silly that at least in theory the UK can simply continue to be a member of the EU and that the government cannot be forced by either the people or the EU to actually do the thing they've said they will do.
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Doesn't seem silly that it can't be forced by the EU. A domestic referendum result, whatever it is about, should no way give the EU legal force to kick out the UK.

(Well, unless the referendum was about declaring war on Belgium or something)
 
Childlike Empress said:
They are royally pissed. French foreign minister has also demanded Camoron's immediate resignation. They take you at your collective word and are not in the mood for lengthy games, it seems.
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Yep. And I see that the agreement to stop wannabe immigrants to Britain at Calais is part of the Le Touquet treaty, allowing Brit border guards to work within France.

Whoops. The treaty is, of course, re-negotiable.

So many unforeseen consequences. What a monumental ***************.
 
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