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MikeG said:
I know literally scores of Leave voters. Not a single one of them voted that way because of immigration or xenophobia. Having control of the governance of this country was the over-riding motivation for voting Leave, and your petty racism slur is as baseless as it is insulting.
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Sorry but if they voted for Leave they are racists. I am very comfortable calling everyone that voted that way a racist. And racism should be punished.
 
My Mum (71) and my younger brother (43) both voted leave, and both gave as their reasons an incoherent mishmash of 'Take our country back", "immigrants take our jobs" and "Britain is full up", along with a load of unsubstantiated guff about Bureaucracy and Sovereignty.

I find a degree of what I'd call 'casual ill-informed racism' to be an observable trait in Brexiteers I've spoken to in my immediate family, as well as out and about locally.

Not necessarily bad people. Just ignorant and, in some cases, as thick as mince.
 
Ape of Good Hope said:
My Mum (71) and my younger brother (43) both voted leave, and both gave as their reasons an incoherent mishmash of 'Take our country back", "immigrants take our jobs" and "Britain is full up", along with a load of unsubstantiated guff about Bureaucracy and Sovereignty.

I find a degree of what I'd call 'casual ill-informed racism' to be an observable trait in Brexiteers I've spoken to in my immediate family, as well as out and about locally.

Not necessarily bad people. Just ignorant and, in some cases, as thick as mince.
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Completely off topic, but if Australia's government is returned next month there will be a plebiscite on gay marriage. We will see irrational excuses for people voting no.
 
Travis said:
Sorry but if they voted for Leave they are racists. I am very comfortable calling everyone that voted that way a racist. And racism should be punished.
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I'll add this to the "Sweeping Generalisations" folder.
 
Klimax said:
Second, why the hell should my country vote to give you some sweet deals, while leaving? Why should we want to reward you for idiocy? Why should majority of other countries either? You are mostly irrelevant to us...
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We're not asking for "sweet deals". I don't know what country you're from Klimax. The UK does a lot of trade with Europe. This is going to continue happening. Lets stick with German cars as an example. We still will want to buy similar numbers of German cars next year. German car makers want to sell as many of their cars as they can, so it's in their interests to not cut off their nose to spite their face.

Feelings are running high right now, but give it a month or two. Most European countries and businesses that export cars or widgets or whatever to the UK are going to want to keep doing this trade. It's not like the economies of all of Europe are super robust and could absorb losing a lot of trade overnight.

Once people have calmed down pragmatism and capitalism will trump sabre rattling.

The UK isn't going to get "Sweet Deals" but we will very likely get deals that are good for both the UK and Europe. Not as good as we had when we were in the EU, but still good enough.
 
You really can't say this:

Ambrosia said:
this referendum isn't even legally binding. It might turn out that the government want to ignore the result. Perhaps call a general election quickly with EU membership as the main/only issue, invoking article 50 is the point of no return, we're leaving, it's official.......
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......immediately after you have said this:

Ambrosia said:
hyperbole much?
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There won't be a single person in public life in Britain who thinks there is any chance of ignoring the referendum result and remaining in the EU. It was a waste of pixels raising the matter.
 
Travis said:
Sorry but if they voted for Leave they are racists. I am very comfortable calling everyone that voted that way a racist. And racism should be punished.
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Luckily, it is perfectly obvious to everyone reading these words that you haven't the first idea what you are talking about. For instance, I am on record in here, months ago, as saying that were I to vote leave one of my primary reasons would be the barriers the EU raises in its trade with Africa. That's pretty much the antithesis of racist. A friend of mine is a Lib Dem peer who voted Leave (yes, really) because of the democratic deficit of the EU, and because of it's trade barriers with the third world. Please tell me he's racist, and I'll then list his works in the third world, and in the charitable sector.

ETA.........just for fun, if Boris Johnson is a racist, how come he married someone who is half Indian?
 
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Ambrosia said:
We're not asking for "sweet deals". I don't know what country you're from Klimax. The UK does a lot of trade with Europe. This is going to continue happening. Lets stick with German cars as an example. We still will want to buy similar numbers of German cars next year. German car makers want to sell as many of their cars as they can, so it's in their interests to not cut off their nose to spite their face.

Feelings are running high right now, but give it a month or two. Most European countries and businesses that export cars or widgets or whatever to the UK are going to want to keep doing this trade. It's not like the economies of all of Europe are super robust and could absorb losing a lot of trade overnight.

Once people have calmed down pragmatism and capitalism will trump sabre rattling.

The UK isn't going to get "Sweet Deals" but we will very likely get deals that are good for both the UK and Europe. Not as good as we had when we were in the EU, but still good enough.
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Czech Republic.

You ain't getting anything. If anything, the only rational and pragmatic way is to terminate your membership without ANY deals whatsoever. You want something, you got to negotiate after the exit and expect to pay dearly for everything you will want.

And the more you will stall the more you will pay. Forget deals Norway got. You are in worse position...
 
MikeG said:
There won't be a single person in public life in Britain who thinks there is any chance of ignoring the referendum result and remaining in the EU.
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I very much doubt that this remains the case. the referendum isn't binding, and the result is very much against what they wanted.

so the people voting for something doesn't mean much until it is actually enacted, and I would say that happening is 50/50 at best, as the Elites and business powers pulling the strings are most definitely looking for escape paths off of this track.

Like I love the way the RemainLosers have now decided it's only stupid people and racists who voted this way, and are directing their Presstitutes to get this meme out there, along with the Petitions for doing it again (right this time) etc.

to be honest I did think they would rig the process before this point, to never show a vote the wrong way, but there's plenty of opportunity for this not to happen yet. Plenty.
 
People will still buy their BMWs but thry will pay more for them, BMW buyers aren't going to suddenly buy something else. People will still buy French Wine but will pay kore for it. French wine drinkers tend not to buy the cheap plonk from Australia and the New World so a prife increase won't stop them.
I will still buy good european wine ,cheeses, meat products etc I will just have to spend more on them.
 
Darat said:
Nope, the UK parliament is preeminent in regards to constitutional matters.

I really don't understand what the grounds are for seeking a second independence referendum. The EU remain or leave was a UK issue and all votes carried the same importance.
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Based on, amongst other sources, the examination of the situation by Alan Renwick and Sionaidh Douglas-Scott at the Constitution Unit the situation is not nearly that clear-cut.
In order to withdraw from the EU cleanly, these requirements would have to be repealed. By convention, this would require the consent of the devolved legislatures, which they might well refuse to grant. Sionaidh Douglas-Scott argues that Westminster could precipitate a constitutional crisis if it chose to override such refusal. Some others doubt that. Nevertheless, it would add to the sense in Scotland that London is breaking the promises it has made to the Scottish people.
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Here is Sionaidh Douglas-Scott's detailed examination of the situation.
 
Parliament can't debate or discuss anything at the moment, they are all on holiday until the 27th then they are off again from 21st July until 5th September.
 
Ambrosia said:
The EU can take a running jump. We'll make a formal declaration when it suits our interests to do so.
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I believe it's within the scope of the commission, supported by a qualified majority, to declare that the referendum is de-facto invocation of A50.
Why should they wait on the UK to get it's act together?
 
catsmate said:
I believe it's within the scope of the commission, supported by a qualified majority, to declare that the referendum is de-facto invocation of A50.
Why should they wait on the UK to get it's act together?
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it would be SitCom-esque if it was invoked for us as they all holiday (in Europe lol) while we had little intention of actually following through, come the time.
 
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