North Korean train wreck

DanishDynamite said:
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Are you saying that the "worth" HD4 uses is the worth which the government of the country places on those lives? In that case, I agree.

That *is* a reasonable metric, if only they'd post the exchange rate to ...something.

I suspect, given Mr. (or should I say Ms.?) Kim's past statements, that two gallons of gas(ihol) and a 286 computer equals four lives.
 
Rob Lister said:

Now define it in terms of a metric.

Huh?

Clearly there is no difference. Clearly to me at least. Educate me.

Direct your questions to headscratcher he's the one who said it.
 
Rob Lister said:


Visions of mice...sinking ship...mayhem...whatever.


So if some unknown poor person dies in some slum on the outskirts of Detroit, is that less of a death than if some rich stockbroker dies in New York?


Edited to rephrase slightly...
 
richardm said:



So if some unknown poor person dies in some slum on the outskirts of Detroit, is that less of a death than if some rich stockbroker dies in New York?


Edited to rephrase slightly...

Pick your metric. pc-GDP-wise, probably. personal-insurance-wise, maybe.

Looking foward to your rephrased slightly reply.
 
headscratcher4 said:


alas, the ravages of senility have come early...:(
:D

Preaching to the choir, my friend. Ever decide to go to the kitchen and when you get there, you forgot why you went?
 
Hey, Headscratcher, I think I understood your point from the outset.

We have different ways of measuing value. We're fortunate to live in a society that, by and large, places a basic importance--a "value"-- on the individual, on ALL individuals. Some say this right is God-given, some say that it is a trait inherent to free, thinking humans, something that we have a basic right to. The origin of this value (god-given, granted by government, inherent in our being, seized by force and protected by action) can be debated, but that's not the point. The value placed on humans differs in the details between the U.S. the U.K., Australia, Denmark, Germany, etc. etc. but we all have institutions set in place by ourselves and our predecessors to protect this value. Though imperfectly enforced, this value is equal among millionaires and beggars, presidents and coal miners; it's the value of humans before the law, and in enjoying what we believe are the basic freedoms or our existence.

There is another type of value--or MANY other types of value--that can be applied to humans. Their net worth, their political power, the sexual attractiveness, the size of the army they command, or their talent at exploiting loopholes in the law.

I think Headscratcher way wryly pointing out that in some societies, the first form of value I mentioned is, at best, merely given lip service. This first value is intentionally mixed in with one or more of the other values, diluting it, often to the point that thousands or millions of people can have their lives snuffed out and their leaders feel nothing more than they'd feel if they lost some pocket change in a hand of poker.

The typical North Korean has less value than I do financially or politically, but that's largely a result of the brutal system in which they live. I also believe their lives have an equal value to my own in the much-harder-to-quantify realm of personal freedoms and redress to justice; however, those who hold true power over their lives don't see it that way. They're pocket change.

This isn't just two different definitions of "value," it's using the word in two entirely different senses.
 
Gee guys,...I know it's a "train wreck" thread, but do you have to derail that sucker twice??

The "various values of human life" topic deserves it's own thread anyway and should not be buried here.

-z
 
Only in this forum would a train-wreck thread be derailed. I'm now waiting for the "Plane with 500 people captured by terorrists" thread to be hijacked.
 
rikzilla said:
Gee guys,...I know it's a "train wreck" thread, but do you have to derail that sucker twice??

The "various values of human life" topic deserves it's own thread anyway and should not be buried here.

-z
So start one, my trigger-happy adversary. :)
 
I wonder if the North Koreans will even admit that there was a train crash. I doubt it. Also, how do the Chinese know that there are about 3000 dead? There is no way they could get that accurate of a death toll, and I doubt we'll ever know how many people died because the North Koreans might try to cover it up.

Prediction: the death toll will be much less than 3000. I have a hard time believing that a train crash can kill that many people, even if the train is filled with petroleum. Remember the first few days after 9/11, we thought we had lost 20000+, but later it turned out we lost around 3000.
 
Has anyone been inside the hell-hole cloister that is North Korea to see if it really was a train wreck? 'Cause my very first totally unsubstantiated paranoid thought was "Hmm, surplus population management?".
 
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Rob Lister said:


Or better yet, perhaps YOU should consider that question in non-monetary terms and enlighten me. What metric do you prefer?

I assume you know what a metric is.

I assume you know what to ◊◊◊◊ off and die is.

Jerk off.
 
phildonnia said:
Has anyone been inside the hell-hole cloister that is North Korea to see if it really was a train wreck? 'Cause my very first totally unsubstantiated paranoid thought was "Hmm, surplus population management?".

Funny you should say that... I was thinking nuclear accident.

If 3,000 dead and injured is indeed accurate, I'd like to know what those trains were carrying (initially they said gasoline - now it's a little more vague) and just how fast they were going to detonate enough tankers to create that high a body count.

The more I think about it, the fishier it sounds.
 
Drivin' that Train,
Full of propane.
Kim Il Jong you better,
Watch your speed.

Trouble behind (you know)
Trouble ahead.
And to think you thought
that you'd be better off Red.
 

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