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Norad

psy kick

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psy kick
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Okay. The first I ever heard of a conspiracy theory on 9-11 was the book by David Icke.
Many things are ridiculous, but one isn't and its bothered me since.
Either Norad was totally incompetant, not being able to get planes up or near their targets two hours after it was known airplanes had been hijacked or it was a conspiracy stand down.
Was norad punished for its incompetance and why wasn't it incompetant before?
 
psy kick said:
Okay. The first I ever heard of a conspiracy theory on 9-11 was the book by David Icke.
Many things are ridiculous, but one isn't and its bothered me since.
Either Norad was totally incompetant, not being able to get planes up or near their targets two hours after it was known airplanes had been hijacked or it was a conspiracy stand down.
Was norad punished for its incompetance and why wasn't it incompetant before?
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The first link on the above page is an excellent commentary on NORAD. The basics is that they didn't have 2 hours. NORAD was informed about Flight AA11 around ten mins prior to it crashing, that was the longest warning they had for any of the planes. They were alerted to Flight UA175 at the same time as it crashed. They learned about Flight AA77 just 3 minutes before it crashed, and they didn't find out about Flight UA93 until after it had crashed. There was poor communication between the FAA centers, who knew about the hijackings, and NORAD through the first few hours, there was also very poor comunications between the various FAA Control Centers. For instance, Indianapolis AATC believed that AA77 had crashed when they lost it on both secondary and primary radar and it stopped responding. As such they called in search and rescue. Had they known about the previous incidents from Boston and New York control, they might have considered it differently, and in fact when they did learn about it, they decided they might have a hijack, not a crash, but by then they'd lost the plane completely and couldn't find it. Other situations include that when Boston wanted to talk to New York about AA11, they were told that the coordiators were busy with a hijack. They assumed it was AA11, but in reality is New York was dealing with UA175. Add to that, that the systems at NORAD were designed to deal with planes coming into the US from Overseas, and the FAA Hijacking procedures were designed to deal with hijackers that forced a plane to land, not crash into things, the system as in place was very slow and NORAD only got information because people in the FAA centers short cut the systems and alerted them outside the chain of command. Far from a stand down, NORAD actually performed BETTER than they should have under the system as it was designed in 2001.
 
psy kick said:
Okay. The first I ever heard of a conspiracy theory on 9-11 was the book by David Icke.
Many things are ridiculous, but one isn't and its bothered me since.
Either Norad was totally incompetant, not being able to get planes up or near their targets two hours after it was known airplanes had been hijacked or it was a conspiracy stand down.
Was norad punished for its incompetance and why wasn't it incompetant before?
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If it bothered you so much, why haven't you read all the relevant information that has been available to you for a long time? The positions and times en route of the scrambled jets has been dealt with.. The problems with communication has been gone over as well. We know when they launched, where they flew, and how long they had once in the air to get to targets that they were never asked to intercept. {at least not in time}.


What is your question?

"Why didn't the Air force blow those planes out of the sky 5 minutes after they went off course and turned of their transponders?"

Is this your question? Ask how long it took the Air force to intercept Payne Stewarts' Lear.

Sorry for the edginess. Sorta. Maybe.

Ivan....................
 
psy kick said:
Was norad punished for its incompetance and why wasn't it incompetant before?
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To answer your question, No NORAD was not punished in fact those involved received awards and promotions (for not doing thier job).
 
psy kick said:
Okay. The first I ever heard of a conspiracy theory on 9-11 was the book by David Icke.
Many things are ridiculous, but one isn't and its bothered me since.
Either Norad was totally incompetant, not being able to get planes up or near their targets two hours after it was known airplanes had been hijacked or it was a conspiracy stand down.
Was norad punished for its incompetance and why wasn't it incompetant before?
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Sen Mark Dayton calls NORAD liars..



"We to this day don't know why NORAD told us what they told us, It was just so far from the truth. ... " - Thomas Kean 9/11 Commission
 
I think all federal employees are liars. especially ones who work for the NSA.
 
psy kick:

If you are legitimately trying to understand the NORAD issue, and not just trolling, then ignore the truther riff raff around here, and go and read the great posts at the link I posted above.

TAM:)
 
ULTIMA1 said:
To answer your question, No NORAD was not punished in fact those involved received awards and promotions (for not doing thier job).
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The problem here though is that it's not really a matter of them not doing their job. There is a good argument to made that the job was badly defined. There was certainly a lack of readiness for this event but there was a tremendous amount of confusion regarding who in the FAA was to do the communicating. On the Defense side, some jets ended up in the post launch warning area. There's a lot that went wrong that day, everywhere.

Deciding to shoot down an airliner full of people is not something they consider every day. Sure, there's some "stuff" on paper, but this happened faster than we think when we consider who knew what, and when..

It's not a simple matter at all. I believe this is the most complicated and heart wrenching part of this whole mess. well, other than the loss of life part, which is incredibly sad news and speaks very loudly about what we have not been able to achieve on earth.. Lets hope we can do better.

Ivan..................
 
psy kick said:
Okay. The first I ever heard of a conspiracy theory on 9-11 was the book by David Icke.
Many things are ridiculous, but one isn't and its bothered me since.
Either Norad was totally incompetant, not being able to get planes up or near their targets two hours after it was known airplanes had been hijacked or it was a conspiracy stand down.
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There's one other possibility you haven't mentioned - David Icke is a psychotic liar.

In fact, evidence points to this being the case.
 
psy kick said:
Okay. The first I ever heard of a conspiracy theory on 9-11 was the book by David Icke.
Many things are ridiculous, but one isn't and its bothered me since.
Either Norad was totally incompetant, not being able to get planes up or near their targets two hours after it was known airplanes had been hijacked or it was a conspiracy stand down.
Was norad punished for its incompetance and why wasn't it incompetant before?
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I think that one of the lizard people ordered NORAD to stand down. You know the world is run by people who are secretly reptilian/human hybrids, right?
 
Apparently, psy kick's questions about NORAD were answered by gumboot and others more than two years ago in this thread. I can only assume he is just trolling by making this thread.
 
dtugg said:
Apparently, psy kick's questions about NORAD were answered by gumboot and others more than two years ago in this thread. I can only assume he is just trolling by making this thread.
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Or maybe he didn't see that thread at the time and just ran into this NORAD thing only recently.
 
I love it when totally UNQUALIFIED individuals whine and complain about the INCOMPETENCE of legitimate professionals...********.

TAM
 
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