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Noah's Ark

The devil is in the details. Every joint on a wooden vessel must be caulked. In the recent past (1800-1900's) wooden boats were caulked with cotton/linen and sealed over with pine tar. The cotton/linen caulking was a near art form as you had to pack the opening snug but not tight. Over caulking resulted in joints breaking open when wet.
After launch the boat will swell but water incursion is a sure thing. With a generator and motorized pumps you would probably be good. Caulking is the final step before painting.
A 25' wooden boat would be pretty difficult to deem seaworthy being "home built".
An ark with 100's of feet of waterline?
 
The devil is in the details. Every joint on a wooden vessel must be caulked. In the recent past (1800-1900's) wooden boats were caulked with cotton/linen and sealed over with pine tar. The cotton/linen caulking was a near art form as you had to pack the opening snug but not tight. Over caulking resulted in joints breaking open when wet.
After launch the boat will swell but water incursion is a sure thing. With a generator and motorized pumps you would probably be good. Caulking is the final step before painting.
A 25' wooden boat would be pretty difficult to deem seaworthy being "home built".
An ark with 100's of feet of waterline?

Indeed. That's why the creationists in post #56 are not building a wooden ark that is to be actually put in the water. They are building a steel frame building in the shape of the ark.
 
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Hogging and sagging are what sank many a ship of all materials. What is commonly refered to as "oil canning"; when a vessel (the longer the more likely) is in rough weather the up and down through the waves will cause the hull to flex. Once oil canning starts the vessel weakens at the flex points and will continue until cracking. Once the boat starts filling the end is certain.
 
Then if Noah sees land he can go to it [if powered] rather than waiting for all the water leaving the earth. Imagine if he had ended up in the middle of the ocean.

He would also have to go around the world leaving special animals in special places, like the kangaroo in Australia.
Everyone knows the Earth rotates. As Australia floats by, the kangas can just hop off.
 
Will they also fill it with 2 of every animal? Heck, even simple cardboard copies would do.

I can't wait for the idiots to build themselves and ark and try to show how you can shove 2 elephants, 2 girafes, 2 cows, 2 horses, 2 camels etc

All in a single structure based on the biblical standards

Not to mention feeding all those animals and cleaning up their poop, all with a crew of .. however many people in Noah's family were supposed to be on the ark. Really, all you can do if you're a fundie and insist that the Noah's ark story really happened is invoke a whole lot of miracles.
 
Will they also fill it with 2 of every animal? Heck, even simple cardboard copies would do.

I can't wait for the idiots to build themselves and ark and try to show how you can shove 2 elephants, 2 girafes, 2 cows, 2 horses, 2 camels etc

All in a single structure based on the biblical standards

Except, according to their book of myths, there were 14 of the clean animals (7 pairs), that would be 14 cows not 2.
 
"First, the matter of the vessel's mass. A wooden vessel is not very strong as its size increases, so the builder must use timbers and planking that generally increase in cross-section as at least the square of the vessel's length. Most woods are rather dense and float pretty deeply, so an ark would have little of its unladen mass above the waterline. The ark as described was in the shape of a rectangular prism, so it had a lot of unnecessary material in order to make those square corners, as well as the bracing necessary to reinforce those fragile corners. It would therefore have a mass somewhat greater than the unladen mass of a modern vessel of roughly similar dimensions. The longest well-documented wooden ship ever built, the Wyoming, in 1909, had an unladen mass of 4000 tons. Her hull was only about 2/3 as long as the ark and only about half as wide. So, multiplying the Wyoming's mass by 1.5 squared (2.25) for the thicker timbers and planks, and by 3 for the difference in size, the ark should mass nearly 7 times Wyoming's (she had 90 diagonal iron braces on each side, yet she "worked" so much she foundered). Allowing for additional wood to replace the much stronger and more rigid iron we can presume that the ark would have an unladen mass somewhere near 30,000 tons, equivalent to 937,500 cubic feet of seawater, about 3/5 of the total volume of 1,518,750 cubic feet (per Oelrich) submerged, leaving a maximum capacity of 581,250 cubic feet (at best, the equivalent of two 33,750 square-foot decks of the ark) for all purposes. I served in an aircraft carrier for some years: she had about 1.7 million square feet of deck space (about 50 times the deck space of the ark) yet could barely accommodate 6,000 men, and that only because we had replenishments of food about every two weeks and made our own water.

You can make a very sturdy small rowboat out of a couple sheets of plywood and a few 1X1s, but you cannot readily scale it up because the larger vessel requires many pieces that cannot span the lengths involved. So, you must use thousands of pieces that will "work" against one another, engendering leaks. Anybody who's worked on wooden boats will tell you that you can't just seal their seams with pitch but must painstakingly caulk (drive pitch-soaked yarn into) every external seam; they'll also tell you that joining the pieces of wood together takes skill and (in the Bronze Age rare and very expensive) metal fasteners, at least for non-trivial vessels. Consider that Wyoming foundered because the crew (larger than Noah's) couldn't keep up with the leaks, despite reportedly having steam-driven pumps. Consider that Wyoming's yellow pine is much stronger than acacia or any other readily-available wood in the Middle East. Even the fabled cedars of Lebanon are structurally poor compared to yellow pine. I discovered today that the NIV says it was cypress but admits that the meaning of the Hebrew word is uncertain. The same problem obtains for cypress. Then multiply Wyoming's 6-inch planking and the underlying structure by a factor to allow for the weakness of local woods, considering that the local woods would have to be doubled and redoubled, making the interior capacity somewhat smaller than the gross, presumably external, measurements of the ark. Consider also that the ark would also have a shape making broaching unavoidable in even moderate seas. Wyoming could carry only 6720 tons of coal, but coal weighs about 88 pounds/cubic foot, about 1.4 times as dense as animals and a whole lot less trouble to carry. That means Wyoming's bunkers held a volume of just over 157,000 cubic feet. Assuming that the ark could carry any load at all, it would need cargo room at many times (see next paragraph) the volume of Wyoming's coal bunkers, not likely considering the inadequate volume before adding timbers required to provide even a modicum of structural stability."



For all this intellectual analysis, the proof is in the pudding, or should I say water. Dutch contractor, Johan Huibers has built a Noah's Ark replica, and if you care to see how it floats in the water, simply Google "Noah's Ark Netherlands." My new status to these forums prohibits me from posting any external links or embedded URLs.
 
Yes, I'm sure it floats. Tell me how many species of mammals there are in the world.

It's still a made up fairy story. It's just a borrowed bit of fiction from the Sumerians. The whole story is in Gligamesh. In the Hebrew version God is a composite character of all the other gods. Other than that it's all there.
 
For all this intellectual analysis, the proof is in the pudding, or should I say water. Dutch contractor, Johan Huibers has built a Noah's Ark replica, and if you care to see how it floats in the water, simply Google "Noah's Ark Netherlands." My new status to these forums prohibits me from posting any external links or embedded URLs.
From creation.com, Huiber's ark is 150 cubits long by 20 cubits wide by 30 cubits high. Other sites give slightly differing dimensions, but they are in the same ballpark.

From Genesis 6:15 the dimension of the ark were 300 cubits long by 50 cubits wide by 30 cubits high.

Huiber's ark is not just smaller than that claimed for Noah's, it is only about 1/5th the claimed size.

Huiber used modern tools and did not use gopher wood.

There is no proof in your pudding, and it would be nice if you would actually research your claims before you make them.
 
For all this intellectual analysis, the proof is in the pudding, or should I say water. Dutch contractor, Johan Huibers has built a Noah's Ark replica, and if you care to see how it floats in the water, simply Google "Noah's Ark Netherlands." My new status to these forums prohibits me from posting any external links or embedded URLs.

No.
The guy didn't build an ark, he built a wooden structure on top of a steel barge !


No one in the history of the world has built a sea-worthy, rectangular, wooden vessel with the Ark's dimensions. Many have tried. All have failed. If you want to claim that God's magical Hands held the original Ark together, then feel free to do so, but please do not make the ridiculous claim that it is possible to build such a ship that could handle open water.
 

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