New telepathy test, the sequel.

[Hokulele]

It doesn't matter which are credible, it matters which are correct. As a scientist, you should know this.

 

[abaddon]

I am not currently planning to launch a new test on this forum in the very near future.

However, if you like playing, or participating in simple tests, I can propose you (and also to all the members of this forum) a different game. I think this game is possibly instructive, and might help you become a smart parapsychologist.

Let's assume Michel H has conducted a new ESP test, and he has received four answers:

(1) I have serious doughts about the scientific nature of your test, from somebody who clearly understand nothing about statistics. I say 3.

(2) Oh no, another one of these silly telepathy 'tests'! Let me go back to my exciting Bigfoot thread! Like the previous poster, I say 3 as well.

(3) I answer 2, but only because, when people are asked to select a number in a range (like '1, 2, 3, 4'), they tend to select numbers near the middle of the range. Nothing to do with telepathy here.

(4) Hi Michel. I am almost sure you wrote a "4" on your paper.

Now, can you tell me which of these answers is credible, and which is not? Good answerers will receive the Virtual Medal of the Smart Parapsychologist (V.M.S.P.).

All of them or none of them.

Or you could do your usual cherry-picking malarkey and just keep the ones you prefer to get the answer you want rather than the answer staring you in the face.

You are not telepathic. Deal with it.

 

[Michel H]

It doesn't matter which are credible, it matters which are correct. As a scientist, you should know this.

No, on the contrary, I believe it is super-important to be able to detect when an answer is credible, and when it is not, because once you have determined which answers are credible, you can then begin applying statistics to the subset of credible answers (for example). And it is then (and, often, only then) that interesting stuff begins to happen. The credibility analysis is an essential filter. You cannot study telepathy seriously (at least, in my case) without your filter

 

[abaddon]

No, on the contrary, I believe it is super-important to be able to detect when an answer is credible, and when it is not, because once you have determined which answers are credible, you can then begin applying statistics to the subset of credible answers (for example). And it is then (and, often, only then) that interesting stuff begins to happen. The credibility analysis is an essential filter. You cannot study telepathy seriously (at least, in my case) without your filter

We have been over this ad nauseum. Your credibility filter is fundamentally broken. The way you then set about employing this broken filter in order to get the results you want.

This not scientific in any way.

 

[Loss Leader]

No, on the contrary, I believe it is super-important to be able to detect when an answer is credible which answers I like, and when it is not, because once you have determined which answers are credible which answers I like, you can then begin applying statistics to the subset of credible answers answers I like (for example). And it is then (and, often, only then) that interesting stuff begins to happen. The credibility analysis Ruling out answers I don't like is an essential filter. You cannot study telepathy seriously the way I like (at least, in my case) without your filter

Fixed that for you.

 

[Bladesman87]

I am not currently planning to launch a new test on this forum in the very near future.

However, if you like playing, or participating in simple tests, I can propose you (and also to all the members of this forum) a different game. I think this game is possibly instructive, and might help you become a smart parapsychologist.

Let's assume Michel H has conducted a new ESP test, and he has received four answers:

(1) I have serious doughts about the scientific nature of your test, from somebody who clearly understand nothing about statistics. I say 3.

(2) Oh no, another one of these silly telepathy 'tests'! Let me go back to my exciting Bigfoot thread! Like the previous poster, I say 3 as well.

(3) I answer 2, but only because, when people are asked to select a number in a range (like '1, 2, 3, 4'), they tend to select numbers near the middle of the range. Nothing to do with telepathy here.

(4) Hi Michel. I am almost sure you wrote a "4" on your paper.

Now, can you tell me which of these answers is credible, and which is not? Good answerers will receive the Virtual Medal of the Smart Parapsychologist (V.M.S.P.).

All of them are credible.

Although at this stage the only sensible choice for anyone who wants to help you is to not play and encourage you to seek medical attention.

 

[Michel H]

All of them are credible. ...

For inspiration and guidance about the proper way (in my opinion) to select credible answer(s), I can perhaps suggest you read carefully these test analyses (although this may take you a little while):
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=8607740#post8607740
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=9516155#post9516155
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11486179#post11486179
(Note: cullennz added later:

Think it's pretty simple.

I'm psychic and chose to read Michael H's mind.
...

, the full post, dated 13th September 2016 is in AAH)

 

[Bladesman87]

For inspiration and guidance about the proper way (in my opinion) to select credible answer(s), I can perhaps suggest you read carefully these test analyses (although this may take you a little while):
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=8607740#post8607740
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=9516155#post9516155
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11486179#post11486179
(Note: cullennz added later:
, the full post, dated 13th September 2016 is in AAH)

No. You can't rule out results like that. You've been told why plenty of times. I don't hear your thoughts. I've never heard your thoughts. If I guess and get an answer wrong, you cannot rule out the validity of that answer.

Seek clinical attention. If, after staying the course with real doctors and psychiatric help, you still want to pursue all of this, fine. But I'm genuinely concerned for you.

 

[Michel H]

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Seek clinical attention. If, after staying the course with real doctors and psychiatric help, you still want to pursue all of this, fine. But I'm genuinely concerned for you.

An important aspect of the "global criminal phenomenon" of which I believe I am a victim is that some people are constantly trying to describe me as mentally ill, even though they probably fully understand that the reality of the phenomenon is something very different.

Of course, everybody knows that "psychiatric treatment" means taking toxic pseudo-medications, toxic drugs which damage the brain, as well as the body, and have no effect on telepathic perceptions, since they have not been seriously developed and tested as "anti-telepathy" drugs.

So, what some people are apparently trying to "achieve" here is to add to the "torture" of hostile voices in head (and other forms of persecution) yet another form of torture, namely the slow destruction of brain and health by these toxic drugs, sometimes under the cover of "I am concerned for you" hypocritical statements.

 

[Bladesman87]

An important aspect of the "global criminal phenomenon" of which I believe I am a victim is that some people are constantly trying to describe me as mentally ill, even though they probably fully understand that the reality of the phenomenon is something very different.

Of course, everybody knows that "psychiatric treatment" means taking toxic pseudo-medications, toxic drugs which damage the brain, as well as the body, and have no effect on telepathic perceptions, since they have not been seriously developed and tested as "anti-telepathy" drugs.

So, what some people are apparently trying to "achieve" here is to add to the "torture" of hostile voices in head (and other forms of persecution) yet another form of torture, namely the slow destruction of brain and health by these toxic drugs, sometimes under the cover of "I am concerned for you" hypocritical statements.

I personally take medication for mental health issues and have felt both the negatives and the great many positives.

You don't have telepathic perceptions, although people that believe they do often find that that belief disappears. Typically, they realise how irrational they were.

Nobody is suggesting treatment for your psychic powers because you don't have any. They are suggesting treatment for what is clearly a serious delusion and paranoia.

It's well evidenced here by your immediate jump to conspiracies, meanwhile ignoring the comments on your actual tests.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

... the "global criminal phenomenon" of which I believe I am a victim ...

In all seriousness, can you not see how irrational it is to imagine that the entire human race is conspiring against you?

When did the conspiracy begin? Who decided to instigate it? Why did they decide to do it? How was their proposed conspiracy idea communicated to seven billion people, without leaving any clue that this was happening? Why did everyone go along with it? Indeed, why would anyone go along with it?

How could anyone imagine they might somehow contact the entire human race, and somehow persuade them all to agree to go along with a pointless pretence that one telepath wasn't telepathic?

It's a really, really, really silly idea.

It is, to borrow a favourite phrase of yours, not credible.

 

[Michel H]

In all seriousness, can you not see how irrational it is to imagine that the entire human race is conspiring against you?
...

I see nothing irrational here. It seems to me that, while the phenomenon of (my) thought broadcasting seems to be real, people are frequently lying (or half-lying) and dishonest (or half-dishonest) about it.

It is a very general phenomenon, that I may observe for example with members of my family, and also when I do my telepathy tests on various forums, including, say, an Australasian forum (the Australasian Skeptics forum mysteriously shut down a few weeks after I started doing some tests on it).

Also, keep in mind that being guilty during a persecution, when a persecution is taking place, does not necessarily require that you are personally involved in the persecution as an active persecutor.

When you are fully aware that a severe persecution is taking place, and when you can help easily, you are supposed to come to the rescue of the victim, wikipedia has an article about this "Duty to rescue": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_to_rescue . Another aspect is the duty to report a crime that you know: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misprision_of_felony .

When did the conspiracy begin?

I began hearing hostile voices in my head in 1994, but I was already feeling persecuted before.

Who decided to instigate it?

I don't know this. Actually, I am not even sure the persecution has a centralized structure or organization. Maybe, maybe not.

Why did they decide to do it?

The reason they give is that "I kill people". I do indeed sometimes observe some telepathic violence, I have already mentioned some of this here. This is why I sometimes try to help too.

 

[Hokulele]

I see nothing irrational here. It seems to me that, while the phenomenon of (my) thought broadcasting seems to be real, people are frequently lying (or half-lying) and dishonest (or half-dishonest) about it.

How do we know you aren't lying about it? After all, this statement comes across as hostile and non-credible.

 

[AdMan]

How do we know you aren't lying about it? After all, this statement comes across as hostile and non-credible.

This is a good point. I find Michel H's post non-credible, based on the fact he starts with the assumption his "thought broadcasting" is real, and showing an almost total rejection or misunderstanding of the scientific method in assessing it.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I see nothing irrational here.

Do you at least see that nobody has the means to address the entire human race, let alone to do so while keeping this communication a secret from you? Even if they could find some means of doing so, they have zero chance of ever persuading everyone in the entire world to cooperate.

Can you provide any example of the entire human race agreeing to do anything?

It seems to me that, while the phenomenon of (my) thought broadcasting seems to be real, people are frequently lying (or half-lying) and dishonest (or half-dishonest) about it.

It is a very general phenomenon, that I may observe for example with members of my family, and also when I do my telepathy tests on various forums, including, say, an Australasian forum (the Australasian Skeptics forum mysteriously shut down a few weeks after I started doing some tests on it).

Also, keep in mind that being guilty during a persecution, when a persecution is taking place, does not necessarily require that you are personally involved in the persecution as an active persecutor.

When you are fully aware that a severe persecution is taking place, and when you can help easily, you are supposed to come to the rescue of the victim, wikipedia has an article about this "Duty to rescue": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_to_rescue . Another aspect is the duty to report a crime that you know: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misprision_of_felony .

I began hearing hostile voices in my head in 1994, but I was already feeling persecuted before.

I don't know this. Actually, I am not even sure the persecution has a centralized structure or organization. Maybe, maybe not.

The reason they give is that "I kill people". I do indeed sometimes observe some telepathic violence, I have already mentioned some of this here. This is why I sometimes try to help too.

But you don't kill people. I don't believe you kill people. I doubt if you would find a single person here or elsewhere who actually believes you kill people. And who are "they" that claim you do, and how do you know they claim it? It seems to me you are likely talking about voices in your head, in which case we are clearly talking about stuff that's happening in your own mind and not in the external world where the rest of the human race exist.

Despite how compelling these experiences and sensations of yours may be, the only plausible explanation is that they're all in your own head.

 

[Michel H]

...
But you don't kill people. I don't believe you kill people. I doubt if you would find a single person here or elsewhere who actually believes you kill people. ...

Yesterday, I said:

If you want to prove you have an amazing ability to repel tigers and to prevent tigers attacks, go to some place in India where tiger attacks are known to occur, and see if you can change that, in a statistically significant way ...

About two hours and 22 minutes later, a major train accident took place in India, at least 39 people were killed and 200 injured:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuneru_train_derailment
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-...rails-in-eastern-india-killing-dozens/8201698
According to ABC (Australian),

Mr Rao said no evidence of sabotage had been detected, but East Coast Railway, which has jurisdiction over the area where the derailment occurred, said authorities were not ruling out the possibility.

It seems to me that these "coincidences" are happening more often than mere random chance would predict. This is why I try sometimes to communicate good, sensible, common sense messages in various ways, to try to compensate for this apparent phenomenon.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Last Sunday Ide idea to take my dog to a different hill in the Chilton to the one I usually go to. In the time I would have been there some guy flew a plane into that Hill.

Yesterday I mentioned 'the Earth' and stuff happened EVERYWHERE!

Stop trying to steal my thunder!

[This is sarcasm]

 

[abaddon]

Yesterday, I said:

About two hours and 22 minutes later, a major train accident took place in India, at least 39 people were killed and 200 injured:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuneru_train_derailment
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-...rails-in-eastern-india-killing-dozens/8201698
According to ABC (Australian),

It seems to me that these "coincidences" are happening more often than mere random chance would predict.

How often would you predict such coincidences to occur, what would random chance actually predict and what makes you think you have any effect on indian trains from Belgium? And why do Indian trains not affect you?

This is why I try sometimes to communicate good, sensible, common sense messages in various ways, to try to compensate for this apparent phenomenon.

Great. How many victims can we verify that you saved from anything?

None.

You are making this crap up, pure and simple.

 

[Loss Leader]

Yesterday, I said:

About two hours and 22 minutes later, a major train accident took place in India, at least 39 people were killed and 200 injured:

If you're right, it means you killed 39 people.

If you're not right, it means that you had nothing to do with this accident.


So which is it, Michel? Did you murder 39 people or didn't you?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

How many people worldwide do you suppose mention India or railways or trains or crashes in a typical day?