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Split Thread Musk, SpaceX and future of Tesla

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The Great Zaganza said:
The cybertruck is a bad joke.
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Watching the parade of reported issues with this vehicle is deeply compelling. Some people get less than a day of use before their Cybertruck has to be towed off for a week for repairs or parts. Some owners have picked up their truck after service, only to have to return it hours later for another issue. More recently some people have found out that they will have to even wait weeks for the next available appointment at the service center, with the vehicle just having to remain in an inoperable state until that time.

Every state has consumer protection laws specifically to help buyers like this, but so far Tesla owners seem to be pointedly unwilling to invoke them against Tesla. You get all these profoundly strange moments where Cybertruck owners post a photo of their vehicle being carried away on the back of a truck while gushing wistfully about how the six hours that their $100k vehicle was actually driveable were the greatest hours of their lives. I've never seen anything like it before.
 
Shalamar said:
It's bizarre! My wife and I bought our Tesla primarily because of the supercharger network. It's easy to use, well maintained, and not terribly overpriced. With the other automakers in North America switching to the Tesla connector, you'll need even more.

And Musk fires the team? Is he trying to kill the golden goose?
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It appears that he had a disagreement with the head of the team regarding the redundancies he was demanding from her team. Like every mature, well balanced, experienced managing director he worked this out with the head of the team, thrashing out a working compromise, which was he fired her and the entire team.

It was purely a kneejerk reaction to someone who said "no" to him.
 
Checkmite said:
Watching the parade of reported issues with this vehicle is deeply compelling.
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With about 4,000 delivered, I wonder what percentage is having major issues. More than a few reports of very happy owners with zero problems.

I suspect the failure rate is fairly high, but its hard to tell. Lots of new tech in the Cybetruck so it wouldn't be surprising. Anecdotally, we've now seen 4 driving around the Knoxville area.

We still have a $100 deposit down on one, but did not act on it when we were notified we could. Not at that price, not with the lack of even Autopilot, and not with far less than the previously projected range. Still, might not rule one out in the future when the price comes down and the bugs get fixed.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
With about 4,000 delivered, I wonder what percentage is having major issues. More than a few reports of very happy owners with zero problems.

I suspect the failure rate is fairly high, but its hard to tell. Lots of new tech in the Cybetruck so it wouldn't be surprising. Anecdotally, we've now seen 4 driving around the Knoxville area.

We still have a $100 deposit down on one, but did not act on it when we were notified we could. Not at that price, not with the lack of even Autopilot, and not with far less than the previously projected range. Still, might not rule one out in the future when the price comes down and the bugs get fixed.
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But its so incredibly ugly. Wouldn't you feel like a bit of a womble driving a triangle?
Beauty is in the beholder I suppose, and all that..

BTW thanks for posting earlier the link to the Tesla user forum, to see what people were saying there, it was fascinating. A lot less fan-boyism than I expected.
 
GraculusTheGreenBird said:
But its so incredibly ugly. Wouldn't you feel like a bit of a womble driving a triangle?
Beauty is in the beholder I suppose, and all that..

BTW thanks for posting earlier the link to the Tesla user forum, to see what people were saying there, it was fascinating. A lot less fan-boyism than I expected.
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The look of the Cybertruck is so weird. The Teslas were clearly iterating on the visual language of modern car design. They had, originally, a je ne sais quoi that said, "I'm like a regular car, only better." Kind of like the Prius, without falling into that weird uncanny valley automotive look that the Prius had.

The Cybertruck just looks like a cheap prop from an episode of Logan's Run, or a Russian remake of Back to the Future.

I don't know for sure what audience Tesla was trying to reach, with this visual language, but there can't be that many people out there who will pay good money for it. If I had to guess, the Cybertruck is giving us a window into what Elon Musk secretly believes is "cool" and "futuristic". Somewhere there's a designer who drinks himself to sleep every night, thinking, "I gave the boss what he wanted, and that's all that matters, right? Right?"
 
theprestige said:
I don't know for sure what audience Tesla was trying to reach, with this visual language, but there can't be that many people out there who will pay good money for it.
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Well, they did have about 2 million deposits down on one, albeit only $100 and refundable - and these all from folks who knew exactly what it was going to look like. Including me!

But a LOT of folks are passing, due to the price, mainly, but also the range. And now, apparently lots of teething issues, some pretty major. The rational choice seems to be to wait, which is what we’re doing.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Well, they did have about 2 million deposits down on one, albeit only $100 and refundable - and these all from folks who knew exactly what it was going to look like. Including me!

But a LOT of folks are passing, due to the price, mainly, but also the range. And now, apparently lots of teething issues, some pretty major. The rational choice seems to be to wait, which is what we’re doing.
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Haha, fair enough!

Out of curiosity, did you pay the deposit because of the look, or in spite of it? If because, what is it you like about the look? If in spite of, what anticipated features caused you to make allowances for the look?
 
theprestige said:
Out of curiosity, did you pay the deposit because of the look, or in spite of it? If because, what is it you like about the look? If in spite of, what anticipated features caused you to make allowances for the look?
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I’m posting this sitting in our Model 3 waiting for my wife shopping at Costco.

Coincidentally, right across from me…

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We’re starting to see them fairly regularly, even here in very red E Tenn. There’s no accounting for taste, but I think it look pretty cool and bold, as do our grandkids. Regardless, better get used to them!

Even cooler would be this:

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i see quite a few teslas around but haven’t seen a cybertruck yet

to me they look like something from an early 80s future movie driven by a guy with a luke skywalker haircut and a turtle neck
 
Fast Eddie B said:
I’m posting this sitting in our Model 3 waiting for my wife shopping at Costco.

Coincidentally, right across from me…

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We’re starting to see them fairly regularly, even here in very red E Tenn. There’s no accounting for taste, but I think it look pretty cool and bold, as do our grandkids. Regardless, better get used to them!

Even cooler would be this:

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Yeah, a CyberSuburban would be much cooler looking than the current dustbuster...


Meanwhile, Motortrend decided to put Musks claim to the test. What do you know, it's not true.
Back in December, Elon Musk released the Tesla Cybertruck into the world with an incredible claim: “It can tow a Porsche 911 across the quarter mile faster than the Porsche 911 can go by itself,” Musk said after showing a clip of his stainless-steel colossus towing a trailer and narrowly beating the iconic sports car down the dragstrip.
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https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/...utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mtod_newsletter
 
Fast Eddie B said:
I’m posting this sitting in our Model 3 waiting for my wife shopping at Costco.

Coincidentally, right across from me…

[qimg]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53726084383_57fcd8bdee.jpg[/qimg]

We’re starting to see them fairly regularly, even here in very red E Tenn. There’s no accounting for taste, but I think it look pretty cool and bold, as do our grandkids. Regardless, better get used to them!

Even cooler would be this:

[qimg]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53724984977_dc287d9813.jpg[/qimg]
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Somehow you didn't answer my question.
 
theprestige said:
Somehow you didn't answer my question.
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I liked the look, and the idea of an EV “sport truck”.

At close to the original proposed price points and range, I’d probably own one now. It just made a whole lot more sense to buy my 2022 Toyota Tundra used. And it’s a handsome truck, but pretty much just another white pickup. But it gets the job - towing our travel trailer - done much better than any EV truck right now. In a few years? We’ll have to see…
 
GraculusTheGreenBird said:
You mean.. Musk.. lied?!?! Was ********ting all along? Made grandiose claims that were not backed up in reality? Attempted to mislead people?

Say it ain't so....
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And the sad fact is that he didn't need to - it has truly jaw dropping performance, a truck towing the same car, a performance car and almost keeping up is astonishing. There were so many ways they could have marketed that and been 100% truthful rather than the bodge they did.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Exactly - the value of a company is decided by handful of investment firms that have no need for fundamentals.

As long as there is nothing more Hip than Tesla in the US, it will keep its evaluation despite mostly being a meme Stock at this point.

Investors are not betting on Tesla, they are betting on the US government to tariff all competitors out of the market.
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They're not betting on even that, they're betting on there being enough idiots around still stupid enough to buy shares off them to maintain a profit. Given Tesla's overall movement and the increasing scepticism of institutional investors, I don't think that premise holds true any more.
 
Darat said:
And the sad fact is that he didn't need to - it has truly jaw dropping performance, a truck towing the same car, a performance car and almost keeping up is astonishing. There were so many ways they could have marketed that and been 100% truthful rather than the bodge they did.
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It's still a bit of a con though, not quite as bad as Amway claiming that browned jam is baked on beef, but...

Electric vehicles have an advantage on a sprint, and have maximum torque available at zero rpm.

Anything other than a drag race, and the Telsa truck would be toast.

Porsche are famous for cornering. (IMHO)

Let's see the Tesla truck (with or without the trailer and car on the back) in a twenty lap race.

:)
 
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