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Split Thread Musk, SpaceX and future of Tesla

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Elon wrecks his own credibility with his stage shows. If the semi is still years from public release don't promise us we can do all sorts of amazing stuff with whatever it is we can't buy yet.
Show us something when it is ready. As in full capacity of what OTR trucks are already doing.
But make it serviceable and reliable before pre-selling them. Tesla is capable.


It's not that hard for most of us to ground ourselves and keep it honest. He should learn this.
 
theprestige said:
"Musk is bad because reasons", obviously.
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It's likely that's what Roger thought I was arguing with the data from LendingTree, but if he kept reading he might find something different. He wouldn't even have to keep reading the rest of the post, but the rest of the sentence he quoted.
 
a_unique_person said:
No. No more evil than Boeing.

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It's sorta sad when a conversation goes -

A. Person A is bad because X, Y, and Z.
B. But what about all the other bad people?
A. What about them? People being bad isn't unique and that Person A isn't the only bad person is largely irrelevant to whether Person A is a bad person.
B. You just hate Person A! You think that Person A is especially bad!
A. As was said, Person A is bad for the stated reasons. Do you have an actual case to make?
B. So, Person A is bad for "reasons?"
A. *sigh*
 
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8enotto said:
Elon wrecks his own credibility with his stage shows. If the semi is still years from public release don't promise us we can do all sorts of amazing stuff with whatever it is we can't buy yet.
Show us something when it is ready. As in full capacity of what OTR trucks are already doing.
But make it serviceable and reliable before pre-selling them. Tesla is capable.


It's not that hard for most of us to ground ourselves and keep it honest. He should learn this.
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The richest man on earth should stop doing what he did to get rich.

Yeah, I don't think he's going to take that advice.
 
Ziggurat said:
The richest man on earth should stop doing what he did to get rich.

Yeah, I don't think he's going to take that advice.
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I don't think he is either, but Bill Gates did. And he would be the richest man on the planet if he had done nothing but not given away a ton of money.
 
tyr_13 said:
I don't think he is either, but Bill Gates did. And he would be the richest man on the planet if he had done nothing but not given away a ton of money.
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Bill Gates did a lot more than nothing, to become one of the richest men on the planet. Now he's buying indulgences, and you're forgetting he got obscenely wealthy off of Microsoft.

You celebrate Gates' contributions to charity, remember where all that money came from. You celebrate Gates' contributions to charity, at least let Musk get his unethical bag, before you you complain about his post retirement spending.
 
Ziggurat said:
Yeah, after he retired. Not before.
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theprestige said:
Bill Gates did a lot more than nothing, to become one of the richest men on the planet. Now he's buying indulgences, and you're forgetting he got obscenely wealthy off of Microsoft.

You celebrate Gates' contributions to charity, remember where all that money came from. You celebrate Gates' contributions to charity, at least let Musk get his unethical bag, before you you complain about his post retirement spending.
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I like the implications that not only does doing anything good mean doing so to look better ('stop virtue signaling!'), but that being an unethical fraudster on ketamine that will move his company entire states away to protect racially segregated noose laden workplace environments is the only way to make a lot of money.

Why do conservatives trying to support extreme forms of capitalism always say things that make capitalism seem far worse than most socialists do?
 
the only way to impart any accountability on these rich guys who do whatever they want is to talk about the things they've done that are wrong and not let the world forget, which to some seems a step too far already. well, not me. want to go after bill gates? list your grievances
 
dirtywick said:
the only way to impart any accountability on these rich guys who do whatever they want is to talk about the things they've done that are wrong and not let the world forget, which to some seems a step too far already.
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In a recent podcast, Rachel Maddow dealt with Henry Ford. He reshaped car manufacturing and improved the lot of his factory workers. Was also a raging antisemite well beyond what I knew of him. Feet of clay, and all that.

As far as the world being too quick to forget, I think there are quite a few folks who are quite focused on pointing out the foibles and flaws of the rich and famous. I don’t see the world primed to forget these shortcomings.
 
tyr_13 said:
I like the implications that not only does doing anything good mean doing so to look better ('stop virtue signaling!'), but that being an unethical fraudster on ketamine that will move his company entire states away to protect racially segregated noose laden workplace environments is the only way to make a lot of money.

Why do conservatives trying to support extreme forms of capitalism always say things that make capitalism seem far worse than most socialists do?
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I'm not the one who brought up Bill Gates.
 
tyr_13 said:
I like the implications that not only does doing anything good mean doing so to look better ('stop virtue signaling!'), but that being an unethical fraudster on ketamine that will move his company entire states away to protect racially segregated noose laden workplace environments is the only way to make a lot of money.
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I like that you can only argue with straw men.

First off, I said nothing about virtue signaling. Nor did I say anything about any limit to the number of ways one could earn money. And none of the complaints you bring up here were even under discussion. What was being discussed was Musk making public statements that promised more than he was able to deliver.

And even though that's not the only way to make money, Musk has been making money doing this. So why would he change? Do you think that analysis is wrong? You haven't actually indicated why.

Why do conservatives trying to support extreme forms of capitalism always say things that make capitalism seem far worse than most socialists do?
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My post had nothing to do with supporting anything. It was merely an observation about human nature. People don't usually change their behavior unless they have an incentive to do so, and 8enotto didn't suggest any incentive for Musk to change what he was complaining about. Nothing about that simple fact of human nature is in any way peculiar to capitalism, so trying to insert your pet peeve into this when it had nothing to do with it isn't really showing me up.
 
dirtywick said:
the only way to impart any accountability on these rich guys who do whatever they want is to talk about the things they've done that are wrong
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I disagree. The way to impart accountability is to create incentives to be accountable.

You want to know what the incentive was for Henry Ford to increase worker wages? To reduce turnover. Worker turnover reduced productivity, which hurt his bottom line. He had an incentive to raise their wages, because workers were quitting too often when their wages were lower. He didn't do it because people criticized him.
 
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