Merged Musk buys Twitter!/ Elon Musk puts Twitter deal on hold....

[angrysoba]

So free speech but with shadow bans. Pretty sure this is one of the things that a lot of right-wing people and conspiracy loons (but I repeat myself) were complaining about. Will calls to overthrow democracy get shadow banned when Trumpy poos comes back?

 

[angrysoba]

"Brilliant strategy of telling all your employees they suck and will have to work themselves to death and then offering 3 months right before the Holidays somehow backfires, experts baffled."

Jokes on those leaving. Payroll quit. Nobody knows how to pay the staff who left. The ones who stayed? They’re not going to mind working extremely hardcore for free.

 

[dudalb]

Sounds like he's turning more and more into Mr. Rumbold by the minute. Not just disaster, but bungled disaster. Can't even let the disaster alone to disast itself, he has to keep helping it get worse!

But..but...HE IS A REAL LIFE TONY STARK, MAN!

 

[angrysoba]

But..but...HE IS A REAL LIFE TONY STARK, MAN!

Dudalb, haven’t we heard that one enough, now?

 

[Bob001]

Jokes on those leaving. Payroll quit. Nobody knows how to pay the staff who left. The ones who stayed? They’re not going to mind working extremely hardcore for free.

I thought you were kidding. But you're not.

A large portion of Twitter's financial organization, including its payroll department, left the company on Thursday in response to an ultimatum from Elon Musk that has seemingly backfired.

https://www.businessinsider.com/twi...resigns-en-masse-under-elon-musk-2022-11?op=1

I would think financial people more than most would be especially well-positioned to find other jobs. Accounting and payroll are pretty much the same in most major companies.

 

[lobosrul5]

I thought you were kidding. But you're not.

https://www.businessinsider.com/twi...resigns-en-masse-under-elon-musk-2022-11?op=1

I would think financial people more than most would be especially well-positioned to find other jobs. Accounting and payroll are pretty much the same in most major companies.

Payroll is under HR where I work... and holy **** do you ever open yourself up to lawsuits from employees and fines from both state and the feds if you fall out of compliance there.

 

[jimbob]

Apparently something like 1200 employees decided 3 months severance pay sounded the better offer:

"Brilliant strategy of telling all your employees they suck and will have to work themselves to death and then offering 3 months right before the Holidays somehow backfires, experts baffled."

Don't forget the telling the employees previously that the company is heading for bankruptcy.

"Stay for far worse conditions when you might end up working for nothing, due to bankruptcy, or take the money and run? "

 

[jimbob]

Payroll is under HR where I work... and holy **** do you ever open yourself up to lawsuits from employees and fines from both state and the feds if you fall out of compliance there.

What about all the US tax office staff?

I am not an American, but I'm sure the IRS is an easygoing organisation.

As I said before, I think it's a race between the technical and the legal as to what causes the implosion first.


Good timeline here.


https://twitterisgoinggreat.com/

 

[dudalb]

Dudalb, haven’t we heard that one enough, now?

Yeah, probably but that has become the battle cry of the Musk fanboys.

 

[dudalb]

He is letting Jordan Peterson back on. Let the flood of bigots and women haters begin.

 

[Chanakya]

Even so, Musk could've done something like saying yes, I need 80 hour weeks, and hardcore programming! BUT, I'll offer incentives. The better Twitter does the bigger your bonus. Then give an outline on specific performance metrics to determine bonuses.

But no. Its you will work harder for the same pay or hit the road.

This. As it is, the reasoning, the logic, of what he's asked, completely escapes me. Only a madman, or else someone that sucks at their job and has no hope of landing another, will carry on in this sweatshop. (And, I suppose, immigrants that have nowhere to go. Those are around 10%, I read somewhere. That group is likely both competent as well as willing/compelled to even work 100 hours if ordered. Is Musk maybe hoping to somehow pull on by exploiting them, is that his grand plan?)

 

[angrysoba]

This. As it is, the reasoning, the logic, of what he's asked, completely escapes me. Only a madman, or else someone that sucks at their job and has no hope of landing another, will carry on in this sweatshop. (And, I suppose, immigrants that have nowhere to go. Those are around 10%, I read somewhere. That group is likely both competent as well as willing/compelled to even work 100 hours if ordered. Is Musk maybe hoping to somehow pull on by exploiting them, is that his grand plan?)

Maybe he can save money by closing expensive office buildings like Twitter HQ and move his workforce into an old derelict factory farm.

Or make human-horse hybrids like in Sorry to Bother You.

 

[Warp12]

He is letting Jordan Peterson back on. Let the flood of bigots and women haters begin.

Why shouldn't he do that? I don't see Peterson as particularly harmful, in the grand scheme. I mean, there certainly is a weird standard when it comes to freedom of speech as applied to people with certain viewpoints.

This sort of thing seems like a 1st Amendment victory, in the sense that it aligns the business with our Constitution, and I praise Musk for it.

 

[jimbob]

Maybe he can save money by closing expensive office buildings like Twitter HQ and move his workforce into an old derelict factory farm.

Or make human-horse hybrids like in Sorry to Bother You.

The latter makes more sense than Musk's actions.

"We're burning money, so I'll fire 50% of staff without knowing how important they are to the company. And then I'll insist that the other 50% increase their office attendance tenfold from 10% to 100% that way, we can increase the office space requirements despite downsizing??

 

[angrysoba]

The latter makes more sense than Musk's actions.

"We're burning money, so I'll fire 50% of staff without knowing how important they are to the company. And then I'll insist that the other 50% increase their office attendance tenfold from 10% to 100% that way, we can increase the office space requirements despite downsizing??

Pretty sure if he bought it and did nothing but hand it over to a random person on the internet it would be less of a shut show.

 

[angrysoba]

Why shouldn't he do that? I don't see Peterson as particularly harmful, in the grand scheme. I mean, there certainly is a weird standard when it comes to freedom of speech as applied to people with certain viewpoints.

This sort of thing seems like a 1st Amendment victory, in the sense that it aligns the business with our Constitution, and I praise Musk for it.

I believe it was already aligned with the Constitution, no?

On any platform there are still going to be Terms or Service. There are always going to be things in them that you may have every right to say but which will be penalized on a platform. The impersonators get banned for example. Now, maybe the idea is that from now on all non-illegal stuff that is outside the terms of service stays on and gets shadow banned. I guess we will see.

 

[angrysoba]

What’s going to happen on the 10th floor?

 

[Bob001]

Why shouldn't he do that? I don't see Peterson as particularly harmful, in the grand scheme. I mean, there certainly is a weird standard when it comes to freedom of speech as applied to people with certain viewpoints.

This sort of thing seems like a 1st Amendment victory, in the sense that it aligns the business with our Constitution, and I praise Musk for it.

I don't know much about Peterson. I doubt he's a major offender. But you and many others don't seem to understand that the First Amendment prohibits the government, except in rare, narrow circumstances, from preventing your speech in advance or punishing you for it after the fact. It has nothing to do with what any private outlet must do. Twitter (and Facebook etc.) don't have to allow racist, hateful, fraudulent or any other speech on their platforms any more than the NY Times has to print your oped column. If Musk insists on allowing offensive speech, he will lose other users and be dropped by advertisers.

 

[Bob001]

Pretty sure if he bought it and did nothing but hand it over to a random person on the internet it would be less of a shut show.

Random person would be at least likely to ask "Who does what here?" before firing half+ the staff.

 

[Warp12]

I don't know much about Peterson. I doubt he's a major offender. But you and many others don't seem to understand that the First Amendment prohibits the government, except in rare, narrow circumstances, from preventing your speech in advance or punishing you for it after the fact. It has nothing to do with what any private outlet must do. Twitter (and Facebook etc.) don't have to allow racist, hateful, fraudulent or any other speech on their platforms any more than the NY Times has to print your oped column. If Musk insists on allowing offensive speech, he will lose other users and be dropped by advertisers.

No Bob, I do understand that. That is why I said this change more aligns the business with the Constitution. Of course the private business normally has a much different model, and standard.

There is a lot of censorship on social media, and outlets such as YouTube. It is entirely legal, but a different standard of freedom.