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Mass shooting at Bondi Beach

I always wonder how the 'more guns would have prevented this' crowd thinks this would work.

At a beach party the amount of area you can concealed carry something tends to be severely limited. Not to mention at those beach parties I've been to the attention tends to be focussed on the food, the swimming, the alcohol and the rest of the party goers, whereas the number of people actively keeping a lookout for hostile targets is severely limited.

And I do not own a gun, but as far as I know sand and salt water are not very conductive to the proper working of a gun.
 
Lukraak_Sisser said:
I always wonder how the 'more guns would have prevented this' crowd thinks this would work.

At a beach party the amount of area you can concealed carry something tends to be severely limited. Not to mention at those beach parties I've been to the attention tends to be focussed on the food, the swimming, the alcohol and the rest of the party goers, whereas the number of people actively keeping a lookout for hostile targets is severely limited.

And I do not own a gun, but as far as I know sand and salt water are not very conductive to the proper working of a gun.
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"Is that a gun in your budgie smugglers or are you just glad to see me?

Oh, it is a gun..."
 
Not that is is greatly relevant to this topic, but some might be interested in Australian beach culture. Beaches under the high tide mark are public land. Beyond that most local councils highly restrict what can happen on beaches. No alcohol is a regular (but often ignored) restriction. Even beyond high tide marks the sand is often prohibited from development.

Surf live saving clubs are a feature of most city surf beaches, with my old club at Bondi being the first. Surf lifesavers are voluntary and patrol beaches, unlike the over hyped paid lifeguards who spend most of their time posing for pictures.

For what it’s worth, I saved several lives as a lifesaver.

Just to reinforce what I said earlier that if I still lived in Sydney I would most likely have been at the shooting site, I now find that that day was the club’s Christmas party. I would have absolutely been there with bells on.

It’s great to see that lifesavers at that party played a role.

Bondi, despite being famous, was a downtrodden working class suburb in my young days. The beach was the refuge (along with the couple of pubs). I pretty much grew up there. This is one of the reasons I am so emotional about this outrage.
 
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We hear the constant crackle of guns drifting down from the grouse moors and the woods on Guisborough Hall and Skelton Castle Estates right through the shooting season.
The moors are managed to support a huge number of grouse and many hundreds of pheasants are released in to the woods, they are reared on the estates in big hatcheries and pens but most are imported from France and Spain now.
 
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Pheasant maybe?
Grouse breed on the moors.
Pheasants are released in the spring and mature in the woods.
In both cases beaters drive them on to the guns.
I used to beat for both Skelton Castle and Guisborough Hall estates when I was a youngster.
Cash in hand.

Anyway this is way off topic.
Finished now
 
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It's pretty rough when a mass shooting at a beach segues into a discussion about recreationally sport shooting birds.
 
Thermal said:
It's pretty rough when a mass shooting at a beach segues into a discussion about recreationally sport shooting birds.
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Pretty closely related, I think. Aussie and NZ both have significant push-back from gun owners and farmers, and the main reason they want guns is to go shooting.

And if you take the guns off hunters, you'd very quickly find the explosion of noxious animals is a good reason for allowing hunting.

Some updates via the ABC:

Not only did the ASIO know about the links to ISIS, the son was also a known follower of a high-profile antisemitic imam. Worst of all, ASIO coming out two days after the attack stating the pair went to Philippines to receive military trained by ISIS is going to raise questions as to why they didn't know last week. A person of interest travelling to Davao? Probably should have set off an alarm somewhere.

www.abc.net.au

Bondi gunmen underwent 'military-style training' in Philippines

Father-son gunmen Sajid and Naveed Akram travelled to the Philippines to receive "military-style training" in the month before they killed 15 people at a Hanukkah celebration at Bondi Beach, security sources have confirmed.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au

The unbelievable couage of unarmed couple, Boris and Sofia Guzman, trying to disarm one of the terrorists and dying for it.

www.abc.net.au

Bondi couple praised as heroes identified as Boris and Sofia Gurman

A video circulating on a Chinese social media platform and verified by the ABC has revealed a couple confronting the Bondi Beach shooter.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
 
The Atheist said:
Pretty closely related, I think. Aussie and NZ both have significant push-back from gun owners and farmers, and the main reason they want guns is to go shooting.

And if you take the guns off hunters, you'd very quickly find the explosion of noxious animals is a good reason for allowing hunting.
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Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm all for hunting. I helped keep the whitetail population under control for a good part of my teens and adulthood. I just don't see the relationship to someone abusing guns, kind of like I don't see the relationship between a drunk and whether we need to enact prohibition. The problem is between their ears, not in their hands.
 
Thermal said:
Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm all for hunting. I helped keep the whitetail population under control for a good part of my teens and adulthood. I just don't see the relationship to someone abusing guns, kind of like I don't see the relationship between a drunk and whether we need to enact prohibition. The problem is between their ears, not in their hands.
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I agree. When they don't have guns available, Islamic terrorists find other ways to kill people, including bombs and car ramming attacks.
 
Ziggurat said:
I agree. When they don't have guns available, Islamic terrorists find other ways to kill people, including bombs and car ramming attacks.
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McVeigh found non-gun options, too. Australia has pretty tight regulation on firearms, about as much as can reasonably be expected to my eye. Further clamping down is probably not the solution.
 
Thermal said:
It's pretty rough when a mass shooting at a beach segues into a discussion about recreationally sport shooting birds.
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If there's one thing I've learned in my tenure here, it's that most threads here cover everything worthwhile that they're going to cover, within the first page or two. The moment the discussion gets to victim-blaming and/or making it entirely and exclusively about Trump, it's tangential thread drift from there on out.
 
The gunmens' assets should be seized and given to the victims of their crimes. Also their bodies should be seized, cremated, and the ashes scattered at sea. I know one of them is still alive. That does not matter. This process can wait until he is dead.
This measure will do at least as much as the proposed gun control measures to deter future mass murders.
 
rjh01 said:
The gunmens' assets should be seized and given to the victims of their crimes. Also their bodies should be seized, cremated, and the ashes scattered at sea. I know one of them is still alive. That does not matter. This process can wait until he is dead.
This measure will do at least as much as the proposed gun control measures to deter future mass murders.
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Correct!
Completely disrespect their religious beliefs wrt how a body must be treated after death. Cremate them and scatter their ashes by aircraft at sea at a secret location. Make it as though they never existed!
 
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