Logical? Deism.

[Franko]

Hey, I'm in (mostly) pretty good company! Thanks, Franko!

hehe ... yeah say hi to Cardinal Bellarmine when you see him in Hell.

 

[Tricky]

Updated list

The Progenitor Logical Deist has been particularly lucid lately, and as a result, we have a much better list of his beliefs. Items marked by a

• are new:

As always, I invite Franko to make corrections.
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NOTE: Many of these “beliefs” were verified by Franko in this post.
Origins

• This universe is part of an omniverse.
• The first entity is the Progenitor Solipsist (PS) – our original primordial ancestor – what the Christians call “God the Father/God the Creator”
• The Progenitor Solipsist exists in the distant past when there were only two intrinsic parameters - Mass and Velocity
• This universe was created by the Logical Goddess (LG), who also created the forces (electro-magnetism, weak nuclear and strong nuclear). She did not create gravity.
• The LG created The Laws Of Physics (TLOP), except for gravity.
• The Logical Goddess controls everything in this universe.
• Everything in the universe is deterministic, including Quantum Mechanics.
• Consciousness creates matter.
• The Big Bang is made up of two parts. The Goddess corresponds to "The Initial State” (the initial “random” configuration of stuff). The other part is The Laws of Physics .

How Things Work

• One soul = one graviton.
• Gravitons come from the omniverse, but not necessarily this universe.
• The Logical goddess is the "top graviton", meaning she is omnipotent.
• Gravitons are fermions, i.e. they have spin and charge.
  [*] Spin is quality of Mass, and Charge is quality of Velocity.
• The gender of a graviton is determined by its spin.
• Determinism/Fate/”free will” is the interaction of gravitons of varying strength.
  The same logic that leads me to conclude a more evolved being exist leads me to believe that entities’ gender female.
• There is no free will. Not libertarian free will. Not compatabalist free will. None.
• The LG is the most conscious and complex entity in the universe.
  [*] This entire Universe is essentially an illusion. You and I actually exist as particles in the Truer reality of the Omniverse. This universe is a carefully constructed elaboration of the True reality.
• TLOP are an expression of the LG. She controls them.
• The LG, using TLOP, creates the shape, or body of humans. The soul is the graviton.
• The LG, and by extension TLOP are smarter, more powerful and more complex than humans.
• True randomness does not exist.
• If A has property P and B is made of A, then B has property P. (As shown by the syllogism, "Atoms obey the laws of physics. You are made of atoms. Therefore you obey the laws of physics.)
• Gravity travels faster than the speed of light.
• Gravitons are the fundamental force-carrying particles of Gravity and Time.
  [*] A Graviton is just a special kind of meme, and memes are just distinct packets of information.
• Gravitons are made of time
  [*] Objects without gravitons don't really exist in the way that You or I do. They are merely projections.
• Essentially, LD is a Unified Theory of Physics.
• The universe can be completely described in terms of binary responses.
• If A controls B then A is more conscious than B. -- EXCEPTION If it appears that a less conscious object is controlling a more conscious object, it is actually the LG that is controlling them both.
• Matter does not physically exist, but is a manifestation of energy.

Morality

• Gravitons are intrinsically Good or Evil.
• Good Gravitons will move forward in Time (to a higher energy state), Evil Gravitons will move backwards in Time (to a lower energy state).
• The lower, the worse things are, but not the same as the Christian "Hell".
• the abyss is a Black hole where the Souls that don’t make it get tossed.
• There are consequences for the things you do.
• The things you do are the result of Maximum Perceived Benefit (MPB). This is not the same as free will.
• You will be punished if your MPB causes you to do the wrong things.
  [*] MPB is what is actually evolving. Your algorithm (as well as your database) expands, and evolves over time. It grows. It becomes more complex. You become more self aware. You gain individuality, you gain power. You gain control. You gain freedom.
• Anyone who commits an immoral act is insane
• Threat of punishment is the only thing that leads to morality.
• A situation is a pattern of events outside the context of time.

Miscellaneous/The Lexicon

• Followers of LD are on an Omniworldview line.
• Fate = Karma. Karma is – every action has a equal reaction (initially equal, but magnified over Time)
• No evidence against a thing means evidence for a thing.
• choices are preordained outputs
• In LD an Eternity is a very long long period of time, not an “infinite” period of time.

A more detailed explanation of the Logical Deism creation story is given here.

 

[wraith]

thats quite a list you have there Trix
keep it up

 

[Q-Source]

Impressive job, Tricky.

Now, I think it needs coherence.
I don't know if Franko has done it before, but it would be a good idea to have a kind of story, starting with how the PS split himself and how the LG created this Universe.

But before, Franko has to endorse that your list is what he believes.

Q-S

 

[Tricky]

Impressive job, Tricky.

Now, I think it needs coherence.
I don't know if Franko has done it before, but it would be a good idea to have a kind of story, starting with how the PS split himself and how the LG created this Universe.

Thanks
The "splitting" part is briefly covered in the creation story but I agree it is a little fuzzy when it comes to "how". As far as creating the universe goes, it doesn't really exist other than as an illusion in the mind of the LG, so no real "creation" is necessary. It is just transfer of information between her graviton and ours. (At least, as much as I can decipher. I need a Rosetta Stone, or at least a copy of The Lexicon.)

But before, Franko has to endorse that your list is what he believes.

I have been asking him to do so and promised I would make any changes he deemed necessary. This particular labor is not part of any debate and not any kind of personal attack. It is simply trying to set the record straight about what Logical Deism is.

At least the Wraith persona seems to like it.

 

[Q-Source]

As far as creating the universe goes, it doesn't really exist other than as an illusion in the mind of the LG, so no real "creation" is necessary. It is just transfer of information between her graviton and ours. (At least, as much as I can decipher. I need a Rosetta Stone, or at least a copy of The Lexicon

I haven't had the time to read in which context Frank mentioned that the Universe is just an illusion in the mind of the LG.
Maybe it is like running a programme that was created in her mind, that's why he says it is an illusion. She is just the programmer.

I have been asking him to do so and promised I would make any changes he deemed necessary. This particular labor is not part of any debate and not any kind of personal attack. It is simply trying to set the record straight about what Logical Deism is.

Come on, Frank.
I agree with Tricky, it is just an effort to write it all in a clear and coherent fashion.

At least the Wraith persona seems to like it.

Tricky,

Franko is not wraith.
I have exchanged PMs with wraith and he seems to be a completely different person.

Besides, I have noticed something that makes me think they are not the same guy. If you check carefully, you will notice that wraith has never referred to God as the Logical Goddess. The reason is that he really doesn't buy everything that Frank says, of couse this is a deduction, wraith has not said it to me directly.

He always calls God the "higher power" or something like that.

Q-S

 

[Rosetta Stone]

I need a Rosetta Stone, or at least a copy of The Lexicon

You rang?

 

[Guest]

Q-S

Franko IS Wraith.

This has been admitted by both of them more than once.

 

[Tricky]

You rang?

THERE you are! I've been waiting for MONTHS!

Could you please help me translate Frankonese into English. I've got a few of the terms now, but others are really throwing me. For example, when it says in Frankonese that "charge is a quality of velocity", does that mean that "charge" in Frankonese is not an electromagnetic phenomenon? When it says "spin is a quality of mass", does that mean that spin does not imply direction and velocity?

For now, I would like to see The Lexicon for English translations of the following words:

• gravity
• spin
• mass
• charge
• velocity
• logic
• evidence
• universe
• atheist

I may request more translations later, but this would be a good start.

Thank you again, Ms. Stone.
(Forgive me if I have mistaken your gender, but Rosetta seems to be a feminine appellation. I don't know you well enough to ask to see which way your graviton is spinning.)

 

[CWL]

You rang?

Hi again RS!

What's with the Nile Delta location? Have you moved? Last time I saw you, you were in the British Museum.

 

[Rosetta Stone]

I hope you don't need an answer right away. Jean-Francois Champollion needed a few years to work out the hieroglyphics, and he had parallel texts available.

 

[Q-Source]

Franko IS Wraith.

This has been admitted by both of them more than once.

I think I was wrong when I said they were the same guy.

They just pretend to be the same because it is fun to have everybody speculating about them.

However, if I find that it is only Frank, then I am going to...

 

[Rosetta Stone]

What's with the Nile Delta location? Have you moved? Last time I saw you, you were in the British Museum.

Thank you for pointing that out, CWL. When you get to be my age, you sometimes forget things. It's not easy being a rock.

 

[CWL]

Thank you for pointing that out, CWL. When you get to be my age, you sometimes forget things. It's not easy being a rock.

Anytime Rosetta. Whilst on the subject of pointing things out, last time I saw you, you were not in a glass case. Have they put you in one, and why did they do that? Have you been a naughty little stone?

 

[Rosetta Stone]

A relatively recent (geologically speaking) development, CWL. If you are stoned all the time you might just forget where you are.

http://www.hat.net/album/middle_east/004_egypt/001_highlights_of_egypt/detail043.htm

 

[CWL]

Ah, so that's why they put you in a glass cage. It looks pretty cosy though.

Listened to any good rock music lately? Still into the Stones?

How's your hubby by the way, that old erratic boulder. Still out rolling around somewhere?

 

[Franko]

CWL,

I hear they really miss you over in the BANTER section.

 

[Tricky]

CWL,

I hear they really miss you over in the BANTER section.

If you are in a serious mood, how about taking a few minutes to correct the list for us. I am trying very hard to capture your true meaning. I may differ with you in other places, but this one is on the up and up.

 

[CWL]

CWL,

I hear they really miss you over in the BANTER section.

Too bad there isn't a CUTTING AND PASTING section. It would fit you like a glove, syllogism man.

 

[whitefork]

Too bad there isn't a CUTTING AND PASTING section. It would fit you like a glove, syllogism man.

Good heavens, you don't think they let him play with scissors, do you?