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[Empress]

Those who wish to abide by Eternal Law have a right to do so without harassment from those who do not.

Um...what?

I'm lost. Are you saying that you want to abide by Eternal Law and we're harassing you by not believing in your church? Or are you saying that gay people being married somehow harasses us straight folks? Or is it something else entirely? I'm lost.

If it's either of the contingencies I've posited, that's just stupid.

 

[Shalamar]

Are you saying that gay people just being gay is an act of harassment aimed at heterosexuals?

I've heard from other LDS members, that allowing gay marriage is an affront to their religious freedoms.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Those who wish to abide by Eternal Law have a right to do so without harassment from those who do not.

Who's harassing you? Are homosexuals preventing you, or attempting to prevent you from abiding by "Etarnal Law".

 

[joobz]

Those who wish to abide by Eternal Law have a right to do so without harassment from those who do not.

This doesn't answer my question. How can you call something that exists in the animal kingdom Violation of eternal law?

 

[joobz]

Who's harassing you? Are homosexuals preventing you, or attempting to prevent you from abiding by "Etarnal Law".

However, it seems the lds actively harassed homosexuals with their involvement with prop 8.

 

[kerikiwi]

Those who wish to abide by Eternal Law have a right to do so without harassment from those who do not.

Indeed. Perhaps you and your church could stop harassing those who wish to abide by eternal law.
We all know what god wants and what his eternal law is, and it ain't what you think.
Now: how do you tell the difference between my revelation and your church's revelation?

 

[Slowvehicle]

Those who wish to abide by Eternal Law have a right to do so without harassment from those who do not.

In what way does ANYTHING my partner and I do interfere with your abiding by "eternal law? How is YOU telling ME how to live NOT "harassment" from you? How is me not giving a Marmot-stalking Stephenson how you live "harassment" from me?

I don't care about the superstitions of your sect, until you begin to pretend that I have to believe them, or that you have a right to enforce them upon me and my partner.

 

[Astreja]

Those who wish to abide by Eternal Law have a right to do so without harassment from those who do not.

Similarly, those who do not wish to abide by Eternal Law have a right to do so without harassment from those who do.

Janadele, if I fall in love with a woman and neither of us believes in the tenets of LDS, the LDS organization has no right whatsoever to interfere in our lives.

As for gender, My gender identity is extremely close to the centre point of the male-female spectrum. I've been attracted to tomboyish women and to long-haired men, but not to men or women at the extremes of the scale. Most of My interests are on the "traditionally male" side of the spectrum, but I also find time for a few items on the "traditionally female" side. I've been this way My whole life and rather enjoy being this way. (Translation: I'm not "broken" and am not in need of gender-identity-altering therapy.)

And I have no intention whatsoever of spending any time in the afterlife as someone's wife. If I do find Myself alive somewhere else after My death, the first thing I'm doing is looking for an after-hours club with good jazz.

 

[Slowvehicle]

Similarly, those who do not wish to abide by Eternal Law have a right to do so without harassment from those who do.

Janadele, if I fall in love with a woman and neither of us believes in the tenets of LDS, the LDS organization has no right whatsoever to interfere in our lives.

As for gender, My gender identity is extremely close to the centre point of the male-female spectrum. I've been attracted to tomboyish women and to long-haired men, but not to men or women at the extremes of the scale. Most of My interests are on the "traditionally male" side of the spectrum, but I also find time for a few items on the "traditionally female" side. I've been this way My whole life and rather enjoy being this way. (Translation: I'm not "broken" and am not in need of gender-identity-altering therapy.)

And I have no intention whatsoever of spending any time in the afterlife as someone's wife. If I do find Myself alive somewhere else after My death, the first thing I'm doing is looking for an after-hours club with good jazz.

Well said, Springy G! I raise my glass in honor!

 

[Astreja]

Well said, Springy G! I raise my glass in honor!

*clinks glass with Slowvehicle* Skál!

 

[Janadele]

Secular unions are already allowed under law and do not require the Christian definition of marriage.

The radical homosexual agenda is for legal acceptance of their perversions, legal discriminate and legal harassment of all those who will not promote or demonstrably accept and applaud their immoral lifestyles.

The radical homosexual movement demands legal rights to adopt children, regardless of the natural parents preferences. Forces children as young as kindergarden to be taught their perversions as part of their education in tax funded schools. Demands all businesses and professions accept and advance their perversions or be dragged into court, fined and their livelihoods taken from them... etc.

 

[Slowvehicle]

Secular unions are already allowed under law and do not require the Christian definition of marriage.

The radical homosexual agenda is for legal acceptance of their perversions, legal discriminate and legal harassment of all those who will not promote or demonstrably accept and applaud their immoral lifestyles.

The radical homosexual movement demands legal rights to adopt children, regardless of the natural parents preferences. Forces children as young as kindergarden to be taught their perversions as part of their education in tax funded schools. Demands all businesses and professions accept and advance their perversions or be dragged into court, fined and their livelihoods taken from them... etc.

Again: How does this affect you? How does any of this interfere with you living by what you consider "eternal law? How do you pretend your superstitions about "eternal law" give you license to dictate how my partner and I shall live?

 

[Shalamar]

Secular unions are already allowed under law and do not require the Christian definition of marriage.

Not in all states.

The radical homosexual agenda is for legal acceptance of their perversions, legal discriminate and legal harassment of all those who will not promote or demonstrably accept and applaud their immoral lifestyles.

The radical homosexual movement demands legal rights to adopt children, regardless of the natural parents preferences. Forces children as young as kindergarden to be taught their perversions as part of their education in tax funded schools. Demands all businesses and professions accept and advance their perversions or be dragged into court, fined and their livelihoods taken from them... etc.

What a shame that acceptance is considered 'radical'.

Fortunately, the revelation I received from The Lord^tm as the new improved eternal law shows that the false LDS church is wrong.

There is nothing wrong with two men, or two women getting married and starting a family, despite the fact that Christians co-opted marriage away from a secular institution.

 

[kellyb]

Secular unions are already allowed under law and do not require the Christian definition of marriage.

The radical homosexual agenda is for legal acceptance of their perversions, legal discriminate and legal harassment of all those who will not promote or demonstrably accept and applaud their immoral lifestyles.

The radical homosexual movement demands legal rights to adopt children, regardless of the natural parents preferences. Forces children as young as kindergarden to be taught their perversions as part of their education in tax funded schools. Demands all businesses and professions accept and advance their perversions or be dragged into court, fined and their livelihoods taken from them... etc.

The radical theocratic bigotry movement is morally abhorrent and utterly repulsive.

 

[Astreja]

The radical homosexual agenda is for legal acceptance of their perversions...

Hold it right there, Janadele. My sexual identity is not a "perversion," unless your alleged god deliberately designed Me this way for some unfathomable reason. I've been this way since before I started kindergarten.

At no point in My life did I consciously set out to become androgynous; on the contrary, I tried a couple of times to figure out how this "female" business works, in accordance with the reproductive organs that My body decided to grow.

It didn't work. I just can't be bothered any more, as it's pointless to try to join a subculture that doesn't even appeal to Me.

 

[jsfisher]

Is it any surprise the LDS Church continues to lose members?

 

[joobz]

Secular unions are already allowed under law and do not require the Christian definition of marriage.

no, it isn't. And marriage is not just Christian. Does a Muslim wedding require Christian approval?

The radical homosexual agenda is for legal acceptance of their perversions, legal discriminate and legal harassment of all those who will not promote or demonstrably accept and applaud their immoral lifestyles.

None of the above is based upon fact and is purely based on hate. Does your god teach such hate?

The radical homosexual movement demands legal rights to adopt children, regardless of the natural parents preferences. Forces children as young as kindergarden to be taught their perversions as part of their education in tax funded schools. Demands all businesses and professions accept and advance their perversions or be dragged into court, fined and their livelihoods taken from them... etc.

You made a lot of disparaging language. Language built upon hate and fear. It is hard for me to think you have some moral insight to a higher power when your view is so hate filled. Unless, of course, god is hate filled. If that is the case, why worship such a demon?

 

[Foster Zygote]

Secular unions are already allowed under law and do not require the Christian definition of marriage.

What does the Christian definition of marriage have to do with it? Homosexual couples want legal recognition of their marriages by the state. They aren't demanding that bigoted churches be forced to allow them to get married in their facilities. It's not like Mormon temples are going to be forced to perform homosexual marriage ceremonies any more than they're going to be forced to perform Hindu weddings.

Your ignorance of this issue is appalling.

The radical homosexual agenda is for legal acceptance of their perversions, legal discriminate and legal harassment of all those who will not promote or demonstrably accept and applaud their immoral lifestyles.

The radical homosexual movement demands legal rights to adopt children, regardless of the natural parents preferences. Forces children as young as kindergarden to be taught their perversions as part of their education in tax funded schools. Demands all businesses and professions accept and advance their perversions or be dragged into court, fined and their livelihoods taken from them... etc.

You are a hateful, ignorant person. I feel sorry for you.

 

[Empress]

Secular unions are already allowed under law and do not require the Christian definition of marriage.

The radical homosexual agenda is for legal acceptance of their perversions, legal discriminate and legal harassment of all those who will not promote or demonstrably accept and applaud their immoral lifestyles.

The radical homosexual movement demands legal rights to adopt children, regardless of the natural parents preferences. Forces children as young as kindergarden to be taught their perversions as part of their education in tax funded schools. Demands all businesses and professions accept and advance their perversions or be dragged into court, fined and their livelihoods taken from them... etc.

What a disgusting, hateful post. You've labeled Slowvehicle and all other LGBT members as perverse. Slowvehicle has always struck me as a kind, thoughtful, intelligent poster, and I am delighted they've found someone to make them happy. That you find their union to be a perversion speaks only to your caliber not theirs.

You've shown your church to be not just ridiculous, but bigoted and hateful. As a missionary for the LDS faith, you're a rank failure.

 

[RandFan]

Secular unions are already allowed under law and do not require the Christian definition of marriage.

Hindus, Sikhs, Muslims, etc. also get married. When did you get the notion that marriage is a Christian institution?

The radical homosexual agenda is for legal acceptance of their perversions, legal discriminate and legal harassment of all those who will not promote or demonstrably accept and applaud their immoral lifestyles.

Don't like homosexual marriage don't get homosexually married. No one says you have to agree or disagree.

The radical homosexual movement demands legal rights to adopt children, regardless of the natural parents preferences. Forces children as young as kindergarden to be taught their perversions as part of their education in tax funded schools. Demands all businesses and professions accept and advance their perversions or be dragged into court, fined and their livelihoods taken from them... etc.

No one wants to teach sex in kindergarten. Your fear of homosexuality has led you to very ugly bigotry. They are just people. What they do in their bedrooms is really none of your business.