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[fromdownunder]

Norm...The statements you refer to were made from memory. I do not memorise links.

So, the answer is no. You cannot provide any evidence that Kindergarden children are even being taught they can choose the gender they wish to be.

That's what I thought. You just made it up. You lied for God.

Norm

 

[joobz]

Rand, this is already happening... Kindergarden children are even being taught they can choose the gender they wish to be. Perhaps yourself and other posters here are not aware of the Radical Homosexual Agenda. Christian preachers have already been fined and gaoled for "discriminating" by teaching the word of God regarding homosexual activity. Adoption agencies have been legally forced to close for refusing to facilitate adoption of the children in their care to same sex couples. Bakers / shop keepers who refuse to provide wedding cakes and rainbow cakes for same sex celebrations, providers of other wedding services, providers of accommodations... have been taken to court, fined, and had their businesses closed. On the agenda is an attempt to force Christian Churches to preform same sex marriages or take the consequences of refusing to do so. These are the real agendas of the push for same sex marriage and just some examples of how law can be used under the guise of "discrimination".
But this is not the thread for further discussion on these matters.

People used to complain that businesses were being forced to serve African Americans. They viewed this as a radical agenda as well.

By the way, could provide the link for the jailing of preachers for preaching against homosexuality?

 

[Janadele]

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[joobz]

Astreja, I am sorry, but If you wish to abide by Eternal Law you will choose celibacy.

Do you often feel it appropriate to insert yourself into another persons sex life?

Often the truthful answer is not what the seeker wants to hear nor is willing to accept. Our Heavenly Father does not reveal all to us, and to those who reject what He has revealed, even less is given. As eternal beings it is not our choice whether we continue to exist for eternity or not... our choice lies only in determining the conditions of our existance.

Truth like blacks are cursed?
Or that men should have multiple wives?
Or that African Americans can't be priests?
I am just curious what time you are claiming this eternal truth is valid.

There are many degrees of "salvation" from the lowest to the highest. James E.Talmage page 21 in his book Great Apostasy states: "The Father of souls has endowed His children with the divine birthright of free agency; He does not and will not control them by arbitrary force; He impels no man toward sin; He compels none to righteousness. Unto man has been given freedom to act for himself; and, associated with this independence, is the fact of strict responsibility and the assurance of individual accountability."

People are free to lead good lives, free of hate and fear.

Hate, fear and denigration are signs of an archaic organization and not of a divine god.

 

[Pixel42]

Norm: How dare you. You and your co horts think nothing of personal attacks and accusing others of lying just because they do not conform to your petty prejudices.

You spew your disgusting homophobia in post after post and then have the nerve to accuse someone else of "petty prejudices"?

Such low life opinions are of no worth nor interest to me

The low life opinions of many Mormons over several generations on the subject of discrimination against minorities are of no worth or interest to any right minded person, except in so far as they have needed and still need to be fought in order to defend the rights of law abiding citizens.

 

[pakeha]

Norm: How dare you. You and your co horts think nothing of personal attacks and accusing others of lying just because they do not conform to your petty prejudices . Such low life opinions are of no worth nor interest to me.

Speaking of petty prejudices, Janadele, is there some reason to imagine the entire field of Egyptology conspires against the fraudulent hoax of Smith's translation of those funerary texts?

My guess is that Janadele has seen a news report like this one:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/25/gender-diversity-lesson-california-school-riles-critics/

From your informative link

...Joel Baum, director of education and training for Gender Spectrum, taught the classes. In the kindergarten class he asked the 5- and 6-year-olds to identify if a toy was a "girl toy" or a "boy toy" or both. He also asked which students liked the color pink, prompting many to raise their hands, to which he responded that that boys can like pink, too.

Clearly such teaching is a danger to the LDS!

 

[joobz]

Norm...The statements you refer to were made from memory. I do not memorise links. I also have other more important and more pleasant matters to attend to. This topic is unpleasant and upsetting, but I shall grit my teeth and look up the articles when I have time and when and if it suits me to do so... I am not obligated to dance to anyones tune on this forum.

You made a lot of claims that contradict what A lot of us understand. Such claims require evidence.

If I was to say that Mormons eat babies in their ceremonies, I am certain you would demand evidence.

My guess, you heard snippets of news stories and extrapolated from there. The only gay agenda that exists is one of equality. If you find that distasteful, that is your problem. And one you need to figure out. Why would god discriminate? Why did your god discriminate against blacks and why did he stop? Was he wrong or did people "misunderstand his teachings"? If they got it wrong before, how can you be sure they are not wrong again now?

 

[Janadele]

What about people who have both genders ? Have you considered them ?

Gender is an eternal characteristic. There is no negotiation on the gender of our Spirit. The Spirit of a male is male. The Spirit of a female is female. On the rare occasion that the gender of the mortal body of a person is not known, then the gender of the Spiritual body is also not known while in mortality. To abide by Eternal Law celibacy is the only option, if for some genuine reason the gender of the Spirit is unknown.

 

[Janadele]

.. The only gay agenda that exists is one of equality.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

 

[Pixel42]

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Nothing could be further from the truth than the nonsense you believe, including this.

 

[jsfisher]

Do your delusions know no limits links?

Fixed if for you.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

So what is the gay agenda then?

 

[jsfisher]

So what is the gay agenda then?

Just to stay on topic, Janadele, so what is the gay agenda, then, according to the LDS Church?

 

[Amazer]

So what is the gay agenda then?

The gay agenda?

 

[MarkCorrigan]

I ask because she said there is one. Now, as far as I can tell the "gay agenda" is to be treated equally under the law and with respect in the eyes of people. That apparently isn't it though, so what is it?

 

[joobz]

Nothing could be further from the truth.

You will need to back that statement up with evidence.

For example:
So far, we have established in this thread:
1.) Joseph Smith fabricated the BoA. This is evidenced by the fact that his translation of the egyptian text directly contradicts our modern reading of heiroglyphics. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Abraham
2.) The mormon church called black a cursed tribe of Israel. These they called the lamanites. We know the genetic evidence discounts this claim. African americans are not descendants of Jews.
3.) Same thing with Native Americans
4.) Mormons, while being antislavery, did not allow African Americans into the priesthood until the 1970s.

 

[joobz]

Gender is an eternal characteristic. There is no negotiation on the gender of our Spirit. The Spirit of a male is male. The Spirit of a female is female. On the rare occasion that the gender of the mortal body of a person is not known, then the gender of the Spiritual body is also not known while in mortality. To abide by Eternal Law celibacy is the only option, if for some genuine reason the gender of the Spirit is unknown.

You seem to have a certainty about this.
If this is the case, how do you explain homosexuality?
what drives the attraction to the same sex?

 

[aggle-rithm]

Gender is an eternal characteristic. There is no negotiation on the gender of our Spirit. The Spirit of a male is male. The Spirit of a female is female.

It would be nice if it were that simple. Wait..."nice" isn't the word. What am I thinking of...?

Oh, yes. "Boring".

On the rare occasion that the gender of the mortal body of a person is not known, then the gender of the Spiritual body is also not known while in mortality. To abide by Eternal Law celibacy is the only option, if for some genuine reason the gender of the Spirit is unknown.

Yes, That'll teach them for being the way God made them!

 

[Olowkow]

Do Mormons look down upon heterosexual married couples who practice other than traditional sex with each other? And I have often wondered if couples are told not to engage in sexual behavior as an expression of love or affection--only for making babies. No birth control.

I have a good friend whose wife believed this, and he didn't. Separate bedrooms for almost 20 years.

 

[Slowvehicle]

Rand, this is already happening... Kindergarden children are even being taught they can choose the gender they wish to be. Perhaps yourself and other posters here are not aware of the Radical Homosexual Agenda. Christian preachers have already been fined and gaoled for "discriminating" by teaching the word of God regarding homosexual activity. Adoption agencies have been legally forced to close for refusing to facilitate adoption of the children in their care to same sex couples. Bakers / shop keepers who refuse to provide wedding cakes and rainbow cakes for same sex celebrations, providers of other wedding services, providers of accommodations... have been taken to court, fined, and had their businesses closed. On the agenda is an attempt to force Christian Churches to preform same sex marriages or take the consequences of refusing to do so. These are the real agendas of the push for same sex marriage and just some examples of how law can be used under the guise of "discrimination".
But this is not the thread for further discussion on these matters.

If any of this were true, you would provide citations. And this is exactly the thread for discussion of why your sect thinks its superstitions can dictate the private pieces of my life. You have never answered my original question: What facet of my relationship with my partner affects you in any way? Why does your being LDS give you the right to enforce your bigotry upon me? How does your being LDS give you leave to support your agenda by distorting the truth?