JPs Boxcutter Derail thread

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I've made a separate thread to avoid derailing the Loose Change part III one. This all revolves around the dangerousness (or maybe the dangertivity) of boxcutters.

Loosers suggest that they'd laugh, and/or Chuck Norris the box cutters out of the hijackers hands. I caused a stir when one poster on the LC forum said his dad threatened him with boxcutters to prove a point. Someone replied that he should call the police. I said this was hypocritical because they were suggesting that boxcutters weren't dangerous, unless it seems, they are actually used against them. This resulted in accusations of me being a heartless monster, here:

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7171

So here, I attempt to provide evidence of the dangers of boxcutters:

Exhibit 1:

A girl slashed with a razor blade, ie a boxcutter blade, minus the leverage of the handle.

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Story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/5121198.stm

Exhibit 2:

South Korean opposition leader needs 2 hours of surgery after boxcutter attack, and won't be able to speak for months.

Story: http://english.ohmynews.com/ArticleView/article_view.asp?no=293408&rel_no=1

Exhibit 3:

Greyhound bus driver's throat slit with boxcutter or razor blade, causing bus to crash.

Story:http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/10/03/bus.crash/
 
By coincidence, a few weeks ago I heard a podcast (Keith And The Girl) where they were talking about how a few years ago in New York, boxcutters were pretty common in street fights. Is that right?
 
Just to be clear what we are talking about - it's what we would call a Stanley knife in the UK, correct?
Ersby, they have been used in the UK too - IIRC it was a common weapon used by skinheads/football hooligans in the past. (The yobs' weapon of choice seems to be the lock-knife these days)
 
There's a reason we call something "razor sharp". It's because a razor is the sharpest thing we can think of. All the boxcutters I have are razors in handles and when someone is attacking you with one I think it would be the same as being attacked with a knife, only you know there's a good chance that it's sharper than a knife. Not that I follow the loose changes threads, but anyone who says you would be less afraid of a box cutter than a knife is just plain crazy. Simply attack them with one and they will change their tune.

By the way, didn't the people on the flight that went down in Pennyslvania fight back? Who said no one tried?
 
Dragon said:
Just to be clear what we are talking about - it's what we would call a Stanley knife in the UK, correct?
Ersby, they have been used in the UK too - IIRC it was a common weapon used by skinheads/football hooligans in the past. (The yobs' weapon of choice seems to be the lock-knife these days)
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Yeah, I didn't realise this at first, but they are the same type as Stanley knives. That's the one knife my dad would never let me touch as a kid. Kitchen knives, be careful. Stanley knife, never touch.
 
Ersby said:
Woah, boxcutter=stanley knife??!

Those things are nasty.
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When I first heard the word in connection with the 9/11 hijackings I thought that they were talking about some sort of "safety-knife" like the ones used by the emergency services for cutting seatbelts. The truth is that they are, as you say, a nasty little weapon.
Didn't the toad Avery pour scorn on boxcutters/Stanley knives as weapons in an interview? Perhaps he would be willing to confront someone wielding one...
 
Starthinker said:
By the way, didn't the people on the flight that went down in Pennyslvania fight back? Who said no one tried?
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A lot of them don't believe that the phone calls made by passengers on that flight are real. Yes, they also dance on the graves of those heroic people that had a chance to fight back and took it.
 
Dragon said:
When I first heard the word in connection with the 9/11 hijackings I thought that they were talking about some sort of "safety-knife" like the ones used by the emergency services for cutting seatbelts. The truth is that they are, as you say, a nasty little weapon.
Didn't the toad Avery pour scorn on boxcutters/Stanley knives as weapons in an interview? Perhaps he would be willing to confront someone wielding one...
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From Gravy's Loose Change Creators Speak.pdf:

Avery: Ha Ha Ha Ha! Have you seen how small those things [box cutters] are? Like, if I was on a flight, with, you know, at least 50 other people – because that's the smallest number I think was on 9/11* – if I was in the cabin, with 50 other people, and five people – I don't care if they're Muslim or not – stand up with box cutters and say they're gonna hijack the plane, I'm gonna laugh in their face!
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Yep.

The blades used were more what we'd call a "utility knife". An extendible, break-away blade that can reach about 4 inches or so mounted in a handle. THey also generally carry multiple blades in the handle.

Not a "tiny little box cutter" but a 4 inch, razor sharp, lightweight, fast blade. A knife would be easier.
 
Avery: Ha Ha Ha Ha! Have you seen how small those things [box cutters] are? Like, if I was on a flight, with, you know, at least 50 other people – because that's the smallest number I think was on 9/11* – if I was in the cabin, with 50 other people, and five people – I don't care if they're Muslim or not – stand up with box cutters and say they're gonna hijack the plane, I'm gonna laugh in their face!
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Wow. Dylan is so brave to laugh straight in the face of imaginary danger. No wonder he's such a hero to those with vivid imaginations.
 
Somebody has to say it - (might as well be me) size does not matter.

How big is a scalpel?

Want to face one? It wasn't a duel - it was most likely a pounce and slash of one victim for maximum shock value, i.e. "you're next, and we are all around the plane."

There is also an old gang maxim:

Charge a gun, run from a knife.
 
If it came down to having a gun held to my head, or a boxcutter held to my throat, call me crazy, but I'd go with the gun.

A gun is Pop! Lights out, and sweet oblivion.

A boxcutter is a slash and you get to watch the life pumping out of you. Yuck, no thank you.

I once witnessed a guy cutting sheetrock with a utility knife, he slipped and nearly cut his thumb off. :eek:

Only a fool could deny the horrible potential of a razor sharp blade.
 
The problem of rushing a knife is protecting yourself. Put your arms up and they get slashed. Keep them out the way and its your face/neck/torso in the way. Grab the knife hand and the attacker still has another hand and his feet, but you can't let go of the knife hand because you're now within range, so you've got to concentrate on holding the knife hand, hold it away from your body, and fight off his other arm and stop him from kicking you. All in a narrow aeroplane gangway.

Maybe if you're Chuck Norris, but then he probably eats boxcutters for breakfast.
 
Psiload said:
If it came down to having a gun held to my head, or a boxcutter held to my throat, call me crazy, but I'd go with the gun.

A gun is Pop! Lights out, and sweet oblivion.

A boxcutter is a slash and you get to watch the life pumping out of you. Yuck, no thank you.

I once witnessed a guy cutting sheetrock with a utility knife, he slipped and nearly cut his thumb off. :eek:

Only a fool could deny the horrible potential of a razor sharp blade.
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I still have a scar on my thumb, and no feeling on one side of it after cutting open a box, with a box cutter. it was over 30 years ago. lots of blood and It hurt like hell. I have also used them to cut carpet and score Sheetrock. They are nasty little things.
 
Johnny Pixels said:
The problem of rushing a knife is protecting yourself. Put your arms up and they get slashed. Keep them out the way and its your face/neck/torso in the way. Grab the knife hand and the attacker still has another hand and his feet, but you can't let go of the knife hand because you're now within range, so you've got to concentrate on holding the knife hand, hold it away from your body, and fight off his other arm and stop him from kicking you. All in a narrow aeroplane gangway.

Maybe if you're Chuck Norris, but then he probably eats boxcutters for breakfast.
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Another thing is that even holding the knife hand away doesn't mean you won't get cut. With a knife blade you can easily twist it around, moving your wrist. Depending on how you're holding my knife arm, I still have a "danger radius" around that point, and that radius may include the arm/wrist you're using to hold me (admittedly, I can't put as much power behind it, but a razor cut to your arm will likely loosen your grip...or to the side of your face, or shoulder, or anything else that gets close).

If you fight a person holding a knife, you will get cut, If they have half a clue as to what they are doing. It takes about 30 minutes or teaching and semi-rgular practice to be dangerous with a knife, and pretty much garauntee you'll cut your opponent coming at you open hand (there's more to learn about knife fighting, but you become dangerous very quickly with minimal training).
 
I was once held up by a boxcutter (the little ones you can get in boxes of 20). While I didn't fear for my life, I still didn't want to get cut with a razor blade, and I only had $40. A friend who was with me, didn't share my concern, and got cut several times across the chest. The mugger got away, because I was trying to stop the bleeding from my friends chest.

BTW if you've ever been on a plane you'd know that any self defense moves would be very restricted. That's why people have to file out single file.
 
To respond to Jenabell's post:

Why do you feel the need to act as Johnny's lackey? Do you feel some sort of connection with him?
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DavidJames posted the reply because my posting permissions have been removed on the LC forum. Why? Who knows. I never broke any rules, but I did ask questions, but then asking questions seems to be against the rules.

I can say I have never danced a jig, let alone on any grave, and I do not have any idea where any of the victims of Sept. 11th are buried.
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Uhm, Loose Change, dedicated to the lives we lost on 9/11, and you have no idea even where any of them are buried, or where there are memorials, and you people keep telling us how much you care?

If the monster that is Johnny has video or pictures (sworn testimony even) of people here that have done this deed, then he needs to produce it, if not he is just spewing more lies and garbage.
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Lets see, your next post will do

There are Internet tough guys and then those that may be pointing out the fact that most humans will defend themselves when their lives are threatened. Don't worry your point is a valid one, just misplaced.
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Are you claiming the passengers on Flight 93 didn't fight back? Do you deny the phone calls? To deny they fought back, and to deny their phone calls denies their bravery. I see you have your dancing shoes on.
 
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