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lionking said:
Until he can give a cogent reason (other than “but I wasn’t armed”) for slowly following and filming Arbery he is a suspect. Didn’t someone earlier in this thread say Bryant was part of an earlier attempt to ambush Arbery? If so he is at least an accomplice.
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You do realize we live in an upside down clown world when civic minded, law-abiding family men - including one former police officer, note a trend of burglaries in their neighborhood, identify who's doing it, and then see him again somewhere he wasn't legally permitted to be, go out to confront him, end up attacked BY him, and then we've got people talking about them needing to hang, being "accomplices" to something, and having a celebrity / race mob meltdown on social media and the television result in unwarranted charges within a 24 hour period after months where the proper authorities had determined they'd done no wrong?

Clown. World.

ETA: Further, they called the police before confronting him and these kind of proactive men are why there is such a thing as a livable neighborhood or society on the entire planet. You realize the default condition of most people/places (and maybe all of them) is something like Somalia, right?

Soft people used to at least defer to these people to make their society safe and functional. Used to understand there was nasty stuff someone like a cop, for instance, had to do and to see and they let them do what was necessary.

And this incident doesn't even rise to that level. This is basic social maintenance.
 
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Skeptic Tank said:
Serious question, what percentage likelihood do you think these 3 white men thought there was that they'd end up killing Ahmaud as they got into their vehicles?

It sounds like you're saying 100% - or near it?

I'm flabbergasted if you actually believe that. I don't think they considered it likely at all. Near to the point of 0% in fact.
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Why do you think this?

Or more to the point, if they thought there was zero chance of them shooting Ahmaud, why did they arm themselves in the first place?
 
Skeptic Tank said:
Everything about their actions indicates they were completely positive he was the thief (and I think they were right)
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Let's clear up some things here. There was no thief. There was no string of burglaries. There were two events:

1) Travis left a gun openly visible in his unlocked car and then found that it was missing the next morning

2) Someone walked into a construction site and nosed around at a new house being built

That's it. There is no string of burglaries.

Stop. Start over.
 
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The robber had been stealing their guns and so could have been armed and dangerous!

FOX5's Alex Whittler requested a list of all car and home break-ins in Satilla Shores from December 2019 through mid-March of this year.

In all, there are three: December 8, 2019, more than two months before the jog that’s jolted the country, Decebmber (sic) 28 and January 1.

On Dec. 8th, a Satilla Shores neighbor reported rifles stolen from their unlocked car.

Police records note the incident on the 28th as a "theft."

On January first… a neighbor, Travis James McMichael, filed a report of a firearm stolen from his truck.
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https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/sa...reported-months-before-ahmaud-arberys-killing
 
Disbelief said:
I think the odds are really good that you just pulled this out of your ass. Either you're saying the cops are really racist there too, or that this is how you would have handled the situation.
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I'm pretty sure you're missing the third option: That Skeptic Tank is convinced that the victim was a dangerous and violent criminal who would have thoughtlessly attacked anyone who got in his way.

That there is absolutely no support for that belief is irrelevant.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
I believe the thought of killing him barely, if at all, even lightly brushed across their cortexes prior to the 5 seconds or so at the end of the video.

They brought the guns for self defense so they wouldn’t go out and verbally confront a criminal only to then get shot dead by him for their trouble if he proved to be armed and violent.
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The need for Self defense whilst actively pursuing someone as a civilian makes no sense to me.
I reckon the problem here is that an ex-cop got too big for his boots and forgot he was an ex-cop.
 
Craig4 said:
I'm sure it was from some worthless, stupid Trumptrash. An American wouldn't post something like that.
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I'm told constantly that America is a fundamentally white supremacist nation with white supremacy and anti-black hatred, oppression and bias at its roots and so thick in its blood as to basically be impossible to ever cure. This narrative is mainstream and pushed every day by damn-near-every prominent black voice, as well as countless black nobodies, and countless white SJWs as well.

So I dunno, it kinda sounds like exactly the sort of joke an American would post.
 
whoanellie said:
Thanks for posting that. It's very interesting. I wonder what Mr. Bryan has told police.
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... "Without a lawyer".

Not the actions of a guilty person, BUT, it gives no answer the the question asked above, and I wonder too. Why was he recording what was going on at all? Is he with the rednecks, or did he maybe witness their first encounter in the street and just wonder where it was going when they gave chase, and taking advantage of 21st Century technology?
A lot hinges on why he was following and recording.
 
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Mike! said:
... "Without a lawyer".

Not the actions of a guilty person, BUT, it gives no answer the the question asked above, and I wonder too. Why was he recording what was going on at all? Is he with the rednecks, or did he maybe witness their first encounter in the street and just wonder where it was going when they gave chase? A lot hinges on why he was following and recording.
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My impression is that he was their friend / neighbor / acquaintance and was coming along to help track him. I think he filmed it for CYA / interest / to show the police.

The reason for filming isn't too mysterious honestly, he thought this was an armed confrontation and declaration of "we have police on the way and intend to get you arrested" with someone he believed to be a criminal. That situation inherently can have video-worthy things even if zero violence takes place. Maybe you catch him admitting something, maybe he gives a fake name and that might be indicative to the cops later when they determine who he really is, etc.
 
Mike! said:
... "Without a lawyer".

Not the actions of a guilty person, BUT, it gives no answer the the question asked above, and I wonder too. Why was he recording what was going on at all? Is he with the rednecks, or did he maybe witness their first encounter in the street and just wonder where it was going when they gave chase? A lot hinges on why he was following and recording.
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From the police report:
"McMichael stated the unidentified male turned around and began running back the direction from which he came and " Roddy" attempted to block him which was unsuccessful Michael stated he then jumped into the bed of the truck and he and Travis continued ....."

Roddy is William Bryan the video taker. He was in cahoots (at least to some degree) with the McMichaels.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
For the most part, you can wash away all of the following when thinking about this case:

1.) Whether they were right or wrong about who he was and what he was up to
2.) Whether you like Southerners or white people
3.) Whether it was the wisest move to confront him / bring guns or not
4.) Whether he'd stolen anything then or another time

Ultimately, his decision to start throwing punches and grabbing guns is why he was shot. He had easily available means to come out of this alive - he could have stopped, spoken with these guys, and waited for police to arrive to sort the situation out. He instead confirmed his criminality at least in their minds by fleeing and then he got himself shot by attacking.
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Whether or not he was wise to resist their assault *, what they did was still assault, and it led to his death. If you threaten someone with a gun and they fight back and you shoot them, your defense that "he shouldn't have fought back, I had a gun, fighting back was stupid!" is no defense at all.

This was murder, no matter how you want to spin it.

*It's certainly not clear to me that his actions, based on the situation at the time he took those actions, were unwise. But I wasn't there and it's immaterial anyway.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
I think the odds are really good that this would've played out exactly the same way if a police cruiser had pulled up and confronted him.
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If a police cruiser had pulled up and confronted him, he would then unequivocally have been obligated to comply, and if he didn't he might have been shot, and he might have been killed. But that is not what happened. There are a million ways you can kill a man and he's dead every time, but there are rules for who may do what and how.
 
whoanellie said:
From the police report:
"McMichael stated the unidentified male turned around and began running back the direction from which he came and " Roddy" attempted to block him which was unsuccessful Michael stated he then jumped into the bed of the truck and he and Travis continued ....."

Roddy is William Bryan the video taker. He was in cahoots (at least to some degree) with the McMichaels.
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I guess it's wise Roddy got himself a lawyer now.

I've heard a few times now, there's a second video we haven't seen. I'm wondering if dad was videoing the events from the truck, and that's what we see him holding, before he exchanges whatever it is of what IS clearly a handgun. He may have got a good clear view of what we don't see.

One more thing the wife and I were talking about earlier. It's reported (someplace upthread) That he was shot twice, once in the hand when the first shot was fired, then fatally when the third shot goes off. Watching the video, it seems reasonable that he was surprised to encounter McMichaels at the front of the truck, gun extended his direction, and instinctively pushed it aside. Boom, first wound. NOW he has no choice but to fight for the gun, rednecks finger's on the trigger, an he ain't skeered to pull it.
 
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Skeptic Tank said:
I'm told constantly that America is a fundamentally white supremacist nation with white supremacy and anti-black hatred, oppression and bias at its roots and so thick in its blood as to basically be impossible to ever cure. This narrative is mainstream and pushed every day by damn-near-every prominent black voice, as well as countless black nobodies, and countless white SJWs as well.

So I dunno, it kinda sounds like exactly the sort of joke an American would post.
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You've been told wrong.
 
The lynching apologist has now said that running down and murdering innocent, unarmed black people is "basic social maintenance".
 
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