Jogging in Georgia while black.

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William Parcher said:
I wasn't told what was said. Maybe nothing was said. What would a murderer/executioner say when in hot pursuit of the victim?
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:boggled: Have you bothered to read any of the articles and reports about this? Because the guy who shot him said that he told Arbery "Stop, I want to talk to you" (or something close to that) while waving a shotgun at him. So, you know, we've been told what the murderer said he said... and it definitely wasn't "give me your wallet".
 
Skeptic Tank said:
By the way, I find your even handedness, open-mindedness and decision to not just lapse into "duh, you racist and dis was lynching!" to be refreshing and impressive. You appear to be approaching this in a way that actually deserves to be associated with a skeptic / critical thinking forum.
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What is funny to me is you are only applying skepticism to the assertion that a black guy was murdered and applying zero skepticism to the assertion that a black guy was justifiably killed. You have thrown out every single speculative idea in order to justify his killing, regardless of evidence or reason.
 
Thermal said:
This. It took the twittersphere to get some action.

Although I think murder is the wrong charge. The video shows a struggle with the gun. Its too easy to claim it was accidental, or a contest od self defense claims. I'd rather see the charges going for the slam dunk than the hail Mary. Actual murder will be too hard to stick with Arbery wrestling with a presumably semi auto shotgun.

I'm guessing neither party was out to kill. Again, gut feeling, the rednecks thought they were going to wave guns around and show everyone who's boss. Arbery called their bluff (because he didn't do anything, so probably didn't think of this as a genuine shootout situation).

There is no citizens arrest issue, and Arbery had zero reason to comply with any demands. And hillbilly boys had no right to make any. Does Georgia allow for a jury to convict on a different charge? Say, harassment, assault, brandishing, some variation of kidnapping/unlawful restraint, and criminal manslaughter?
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A criminal is not given the right to the “it was an accident” defence.
 
Planigale said:
Have there ever been any occasions where a group of armed white men may have taken a black man away because they believe he was guilty of a crime rather than just handing him over to the authorities? Or even when the authorities may have been complicit in the application of 'popular' justice? Have black men disappeared in similar circumstances in living memory?

I think the view of a middle class white man waiting for the arrival of the police in such a situation would be very different from the concerns of a woman or a black person or an undocumented person.
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This^

As a white man in the UK which, while not perfect has a relatively good record on race relations, I'll admit that I can sometimes get fed up with a perceived "all white people are racist" attitude, but then I see something like this and realise that maybe I can understand why some people feel that way. Hell, I can't even imagine what it's like to be black in a country where race based lynchings were 'one of those things' within living memory. I can see why he didn't want to submit, and I can see why he didn't want to run off to the side and make himself an easy target. He had no good option.
 
Craig4 said:
If there is anything I've learned since 2016 it's this: Dehumanization is a powerful weapon. People will do things to a hated other they won't do to a fellow citizen and equal. I accept that we are in a cold civil war and the less Americans see the enemy as fully human, the better for the country. If you're in a war, win.
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Fair 'nuff. I can sympathise with that pov. But, it's a fine line to walk, be careful not to grant your enemies sympathy.
 
Just saw someone on Twitter refer to Ahmaud Arbery as "Armed Robbery" and cracked up mightily.
 
uke2se said:
I dont understand why guys are entertaining this ****. You are giving a racist the oppurtunity to be the "other side" of the argument. You may all think you're owning him in a debate, but what's really happening in this thread is that you're giving a racist the opportunity to again and again say that it's ok to shoot black people. The racist has completely taken over a thread about yet another killing of a black man, all because you guys just can't stop feeding him.
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THIS!
 
Meadmaker said:
My favorite one said that "the guy" matched a composite sketch related to a string of burglaries. Oh, and they found drugs and stolen property at the convicted thief's house. That one could conceivably be true, since he had a shoplifting arrest, apparently. Usually shoplifters are caught red-handed, though, but it is not impossible.
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As it turns out, the "string of burglaries" didn't happen. There is a grand total of one in the past 7 weeks. For there to be a string, I'd demand at least two. Maybe 3.

For the awesome crime of trespassing, the victim of the trespass won't release the video.

So the basis for the initial interaction was a pretense.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
Help me understand.

If it's legal in Georgia to open carry firearms, and it's legal in Georgia to approach another citizen, and it's legal in Georgia even to perform citizens' arrests... then how can any combination of these actions constitute legal basis for you "defending yourself" by launching a physical assault against someone doing any combination of those things?
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The law in Georgia is limited. It is not legal to perform a citizen's arrest unless one witnesses a crime or has good reason to believe a criminal is fleeing a felony. That does not include the right to chase after a person suspected of having committed a crime at another time, nor to chase after a person who is simply suspected of being a felon, if no immediate crime is known of, nor in any case to pursue a person whose crime is not a felony.

In this instance, then, the attack was initiated by the people with guns. This is true even if you truly believe the shooters were just and righteous, and that the person they shot was a criminal. It's true even if their benign brandishing of guns was misunderstood, and true even if the victim's reaction was wrong. If they did not meet the criteria for a citizen's arrest in Georgia, they did not meet it, whether they're fiends or the best good old boys you ever did see.

If there is an ambiguity in whether or not they met the criteria for a citizen's arrest (which I very much doubt owing to their own testimony about what they were doing), then a trial is called for to figure it out.
 
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lionking said:
You support open carry for whites but not blacks. Not surprising.
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Unironically yes, but in this case it doesn't qualify. Not sure he was even legal age, but setting age aside - it was pretty much guaranteed not a legally permitted gun licensed to him with all the proper paperwork, etc. and more importantly perhaps is the fact that he was taking it into a "no guns" zone (school / game) and it was concealed, not open carry.
 
JoeMorgue said:
The recorder of the video comes forward via attorney statement, claims he has been cooperating with investigators.

https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/...8U42EB0rjBuEfPFftknTX8IqjmqCpG3QvMwpF0rd2MPiw
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Until he can give a cogent reason (other than “but I wasn’t armed”) for slowly following and filming Arbery he is a suspect. Didn’t someone earlier in this thread say Bryant was part of an earlier attempt to ambush Arbery? If so he is at least an accomplice.
 
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