Jogging in Georgia while black.

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Meadmaker said:
In December, another gun theft from someone else's car.

What is it with these Georgian's can't lock their car doors when there are guns inside? Is that not illegal in Georgia?

(In many states, it is illegal to leave a loaded gun untended, as well it should be, because it creates a very easy possibility of a minor ending up with a loaded gun.)
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Yeah, nothing says “civic-minded concerned neighbor” like leaving guns in your unlocked vehicle.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
Yep, once again this video (at the 13 minute mark) confirms my perceptions.

He's out "jogging" as a cover story to look for things to steal. He sees this place that's wide open, he checks around while in the front yard to see the coast is clear, then he enters and looks for things to take. This is doubly confirmed by the previous video.

Camera may not have caught it, but he at least pockets a hammer or similar tool that he later dumps on the street so he can claim he has no stolen goods on him when cops arrive.

This is not "Oh i'm Karen out for my jog and oh, isn't this house under construction mildly interesting? Let me gawk at it for a few minutes from the street or possibly outer portions of the lawn" he goes INSIDE the structure, and lingers, searching for loot.
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Affirmation of the Bias, and making carp up, yup, nothing to see here....
 
PhantomWolf said:
It's not Criminal Trespass as spelt out under Georgia Law. Walking about an open construction site is not illegal unless you are there for an unlawful purpose, cause damage, or are asked by the owner to leave.
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And that makes it nowhere near the "felony" requirement for Georgia's Citizen Arrest Law.
 
PhantomWolf said:
It's not Criminal Trespass as spelt out under Georgia Law. Walking about an open construction site is not illegal unless you are there for an unlawful purpose, cause damage, or are asked by the owner to leave.
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That sounds like a law which applies to a large office building being constructed downtown, not a single dwelling residential lot with a house completed to the point of having walls and roof. I'd be very surprised if it's okay to just stroll inside someone's mid-construction house on their private property / private residential lot.

JoeMorgue said:
And that makes it nowhere near the "felony" requirement for Georgia's Citizen Arrest Law.
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Is it a felony to physically assault someone? Because he did.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
That sounds like a law which applies to a large office building being constructed downtown, not a single dwelling residential lot with a house completed to the point of having walls and roof. I'd be very surprised if it's okay to just stroll inside someone's mid-construction house on their private property / private residential lot.
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No, it's the law period, it's been posted in this thread, or *gasp* you could look it up yourself.

Is it a felony to physically assault someone? Because he did.
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Considering that they started chasing him prior to this, then even if you were right, you're not because he was confronted with a gun (an aggravated assault) before he defended himself, it still wouldn't make their actions any less illegal because they started chasing him before any "assault" by him.
 
PhantomWolf,

This is why prosecutorial discretion is sometimes a very important and good thing - if the outcome is correct.

In this case, the local DA determined he would not bring charges against them because of their standing in the community, the deceased's behavior / thieving around in the house, one of the men being an ex-cop, etc.

These are the kinds of considerations which trigger people but they are all 100% valid and the sorts of things actual functioning societies do. You want your judges and legal system to take account of this kind of thing and give the benefit of the doubt to productive members of society who are taking a proactive role in maintaining law and order and looking out for their neighbors.

Only a sick, upside down society sheds a bunch of tears for a worthless criminal and salivates at the thought of locking up the men who sought to stop him from committing crimes.

The first DA made the right call, and then a bunch of race hustlers like Talcum X fixated on this and used their usual deceptive tactics to get a bunch of public outcry. Now we have charges and the possibility of good family men ending up in prison for decades because they took out the trash. Did you hear about the shooter playing with his 2 year old child when they came to arrest him, and breaking down in tears? He was in anguish at the thought of not seeing that child again and knowing the laser sights of the racial grievance industry and click-bait media had fixated on him and set to destroy mode.

Disgusting.
 
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Skeptic Tank said:
PhantomWolf,

This is why prosecutorial discretion is sometimes a very important and good thing - if the outcome is correct.

In this case, the local DA determined he would not bring charges against them because of their standing in the community, the deceased's behavior / thieving around in the house, one of the men being an ex-cop, etc.

These are the kinds of considerations which trigger people but they are all 100% valid and the sorts of things actual functioning societies do. You want your judges and legal system to take account of this kind of thing and give the benefit of the doubt to productive members of society who are taking a proactive role in maintaining law and order and looking out for their neighbors.

Only a sick, upside down society sheds a bunch of tears for a worthless criminal and salivates at the thought of locking up the men who sought to stop him from committing crimes.

The first DA made the right call, and then a bunch of race hustlers like Talcum X fixated on this and used their usual deceptive tactics to get a bunch of public outcry. Now we have charges and the possibility of good family men ending up in prison for decades because they took out the trash.

Disgusting.
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Your bias is showing, and yes your bias is disgusting.
 
whoanellie said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z99E6Vq6Hc
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Very interesting...…


Well, we do need to await a bit more evidence, and perhaps there is some explanation, but we might have to modify a narrative or two. Preliminary, but definitely gives one pause.


ETA: Oh, wait. Is this the construction site? I didn't understand that. I thought the video linked above showed a separate, completed, house. I guess that would explain the port-a-potty.
 
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Re: the construction site footage. It was posted upthread that Arbery was attending tech school to be an electrician. Its the most normal thing in the world for someone learning the trades to check out open sites. Hell, I still do it now, and strangers walk on my sites all the time. Its not remotely unusual. People are into construction.

Also, the site was wide open and still raw, not much to steal. But there was a motion activated surveillance system. Not common. I think this lends credibility to the owners aim that he had been robbed, and wanted to catch whoever it was. Looking at Arbery just checking it out in broad daylight, I doubt it was him.
 
Thermal said:
Re: the construction site footage. It was posted upthread that Arbery was attending tech school to be an electrician. Its the most normal thing in the world for someone learning the trades to check out open sites. Hell, I still do it now, and strangers walk on my sites all the time. Its not remotely unusual. People are into construction.

Also, the site was wide open and still raw, not much to steal. But there was a motion activated surveillance system. Not common. I think this lends credibility to the owners aim that he had been robbed, and wanted to catch whoever it was. Looking at Arbery just checking it out in broad daylight, I doubt it was him.
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I am also surprised that there was surveillance video at a construction site. If there had been a theft at the site of seems it wasn't reported.
 
Thermal said:
Re: the construction site footage. It was posted upthread that Arbery was attending tech school to be an electrician. Its the most normal thing in the world for someone learning the trades to check out open sites. Hell, I still do it now, and strangers walk on my sites all the time. Its not remotely unusual. People are into construction.

Also, the site was wide open and still raw, not much to steal. But there was a motion activated surveillance system. Not common. I think this lends credibility to the owners aim that he had been robbed, and wanted to catch whoever it was. Looking at Arbery just checking it out in broad daylight, I doubt it was him.
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Oh yeah, totally. He was making sure the building was up to code.

Might I suggest we begin breaking ground on the Ahmaud Arbery Memorial School of Architectural Design, immediately?

You know what else is normal? Telling people "oh hey, yeah - I was just checking it out" - not darting off and then attacking people when they try to stop you. He was looking for stuff to steal in there, and he either pocketed a few tools because it was all he could plausibly walk out of there with in the daytime, or he dropped some sort of burglary-assisting implement he'd brought with him on the street. There is a tool laying on the street where he'd just run.

In all my many years alive, I've never just seen some hammer or something laying in a residential street. It was there because he dropped it.

His every action indicated he knew what he was and that he'd been caught. Had your scenario been true, it would've ended with sheepish white guys listening as he explained himself to the responding officers.

He had stolen stuff on this same street before, he was back stealing again, they confronted him - he knew they had him dead to rights, and he decided physically attacking a guy with a shotgun was worth the risk. That was idiotic, and he died as a result. Society was improved by him exiting it. Society will be made worse if these men go to prison over this.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
My understanding of the pursuers' account of things is that they were along side him for a while before the video starts, asking/telling him to stop and that they wanted to talk to him, maybe they indicated police were on the way also, or maybe he could have easily heard the father in the bed of the truck on the phone with police (I believe he was on his cell in the truck)

If this is correct, then they were in a position to see how he was behaving and reacting up close, and based on his behavior and reactions, combined with having seen him exit the property he was trespassing on, and apparently having seen him on other videos previously or seen him around at the time of other crimes, it may have been 100% obvious to them that he was fleeing / not jogging while oblivious to them.

I think their every action speaks to them having certainty based on their much better vantage point than we have, that this was a criminal fleeing the scene of a crime who didn't want to be held up until police could arrive.

His launching an assault on them when they got out of the truck only serves to confirm that that was what he was.

The idea that he was just blissfully ignorant, jogging along, hadn't even noticed these guys or this truck, only to finally notice them when they were in front of him with guns, is a silly and implausible narrative in the extreme.
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The video does not corroborate anything you stated. You seem to be making stuff up.
 
Thermal said:
Re: the construction site footage. It was posted upthread that Arbery was attending tech school to be an electrician. Its the most normal thing in the world for someone learning the trades to check out open sites.
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This is why it's so dangerous to leap to conclusions.

I look at a video that appears to show a normal house and think, "Whoa. That's bad. He shouldn't be there." Then I learn that it's just the shell of a house, and an active construction site, and I think. "Oh...that's different, but it's still not a good thing, and is a bit suspicious." Then I find out he's an aspiring electrician, and think, "Well, of course. Nothing suspicsious about it."

And some other new piece of evidence will trickle in and maybe change my perception again. Perhaps we will gain strong confirmation that the squirrel was obtained at the construction site.

In the interior footage shown on the newscast, it showed about 10 seconds. If we saw the whole clip, would we see him poking around for loose tools, or would we see him tracing conduit lines and examining outlet locations?
 
Skeptic Tank said:
My biases are 100% acknowledged, 100% rooted in reality, 100% correct and 100% necessary for a functioning society.
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You sure it's not 33.3%? You might be aggressively rounding up again.

Tools are not left out at construction sites. The only thing worth stealing is wood. So unless he was running around with a 2x4, the notion he had some tools with him is a fantasy.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
Sure, of course.

Getting a bit off topic with that, though.
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Not really. You seem to think it's ok for the three 'civic minded' to follow the black guy, and kill him out of duty. Because he's black. And you seem to think it was acceptable, because blacks are 'more likely to be criminals'.

They committed murder.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
In all my many years alive, I've never just seen some hammer or something laying in a residential street. It was there because he dropped it.
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Squirrel.



Or.....we need those internet sleuths with their photo enhancement capability.
 
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