Is this common knowledge in the U.S?

I wish these "Minutemen" would just leave the immigrants alone. There is only one solution to the immigration problem, and that is going after the scumbags that hire these people. All of that "terrorists coming through the borders" is a bunch of typical right-wing fearmongering crap.
 
blndrhed said:
I wish these "Minutemen" would just leave the immigrants alone. There is only one solution to the immigration problem, and that is going after the scumbags that hire these people. All of that "terrorists coming through the borders" is a bunch of typical right-wing fearmongering crap.
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Then start a thread and see why you are exactly half-wrong.
 
blndrhed said:
I wish these "Minutemen" would just leave the immigrants alone. There is only one solution to the immigration problem, and that is going after the scumbags that hire these people. All of that "terrorists coming through the borders" is a bunch of typical right-wing fearmongering crap.
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It is a valid fear, in my opinion, since this is the largest source of undocumented people entering the country. And if it is "typical right-wing", then why is the Bush administration so reluctant to do anything about it?
 
It is a valid fear, in my opinion, since this is the largest source of undocumented people entering the country. And if it is "typical right-wing", then why is the Bush administration so reluctant to do anything about it?
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Cheap labor
 
blndrhed said:
Cheap labor
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Not even close to the most important reason. Try "Hispanic vote". Just remember one thing about the motives of politicians. Getting re-elected is the number 1 goal.

I was sincerely hoping Bush would be more willing to stem the tide once he was in his second term and no longer had to be constantly campaigning for re-election. But I guess he's scared of sending all those votes to the Democrats.
 
blndrhed said:
Cheap labor
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Well, I guess your highjack was both warranted and sucessful.

You can add to cheap: willing.

Demand is only half the problem. Supply is only half the problem. There are more against the supply then there could ever possibly be against the demand (especially since Fox [Mexican Pres, not the network) seems to encourage said same boarder crossings.

Ergo, minutemen.

There's nothing wrong with what they are doing. They are a form of milita enforcing the stated law. The problem is that the stated law is, by no means, the enforced law. And it's not going to be enforced anytime soon by either party (for the obvious reason that they are both in competition for the M-A vote).

So . . . what's a 'concerned' citizen to do when the government does not do what it was elected to do?

Organize and do it themselves.

That's what they did, that's what they're doing.

Don't like it? Write your representative and have in do his part in getting the laws either enforced or 'officially' relaxed.
 
John Bentley said:
You aren't paranoid if someone is really out to get you.
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Paranoia is an unfounded or exaggerated distrust of others, sometimes reaching delusional proportions. Paranoid individuals constantly suspect the motives of those around them, and believe that certain individuals, or people in general, are "out to get them."
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If you think one particular person is out to get you, and you have some proof of this, you're not paranoid. If you think everyone is out to get you, and you can't prove it, then you're paranoid.

Distrusting Canadians is a sign of paranoia. :p
 
With unemployment in the US in the mid-single digits, and a high demand for cheap labor, there's no incentive to crack down on the source of cheap labor. The market is simply taking care of itself. And consumers vote with their dollars more loudly than Minutemen patrolling borders.

Being a undocumented worker is pretty harmless as far as crimes go. Crimes not against person or property are difficult to get worked up about unless they can be emotionally charged, in this case by things like foreign language, foreign culture, skin color, etc.

I'm not so sure the issue of illegal immigration resonantes universally in the same direction among the Hispanic vote. Not even among the Mexican-American vote. Many are as opposed as can be. Not surprising since it's a surprisingly diverse population, some having been in the country for generations.
 
Oh, and these militia minuteman guys give me the heebie-jeebies. The Minutemen say they will “aid” the Border Patrol by alerting officials to passing border crossers and immigrants. But the Border Patrol has been fairly open in saying that it doesn’t need or want Minutemen intervention. Although they discourage their members from exacting violence upon border crossers, and say that “no hostile confrontations” will be allowed, the Minutemen do not require any sort of background check and are comfortable allowing their members to be openly armed. Also, many civilian groups, such as the American Civil Liberties Union, are so concerned about the potential violence that the Minutemen might wreak on border passers that they are sending out counter-monitors. The Minutemen want you to believe that they are carrying out acts that will have a positive effect on society. I, however, doubt their goals and their methods.
 
Rob Lister said:
Yea, but for Canada you don't need an Army. Sure, they have a tank but they can't seem to maintain it. We could send the boyscouts.
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That is a threat. Those guys have adult leadership.

And I did notice that amongst the threats no one mentioned that they carried mari -jahooba in their suicide vests.

Could that be wrong?
 
From previous references: The Canadian British, the first libertarians

Having destroyed Washington's public buildings , the British army next moved to capture Baltimore, a busy port and a key base for American privateers. The subsequent Battle of Baltimore began with a British landing at North Point, but the attack was repulsed. The British also attempted to attack Baltimore by sea on September 13, but were unable to reduce Fort McHenry at the entrance to Baltimore Harbor. The defense of the fort inspired the American lawyer Francis Scott Key to write a poem that became "The Star-Spangled Banner," the national anthem of the United States.



A yes, but burning the White House (which wasn't white at the time) inspired the Arrogant Worms to write a much more rousing song.

And the White House burned, burned, burned,
And we’re the one’s that did it!
It burned, burned, burned,
While the president ran and cried.
It burned, burned, burned,
And things were very historical.
And the Americans ran and cried like a bunch of little babies
Waa waa waah!
In the War of 1812!
 
tedly said:
Before I go any further- none of the 11SEP01 crew came through Canada. Not one.
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I know that.

Hillary Rodham Clinton did not.

Make of that what you will.
 
Orwell said:
Oh, and these militia minuteman guys give me the heebie-jeebies. The Minutemen say they will “aid” the Border Patrol by alerting officials to passing border crossers and immigrants. But the Border Patrol has been fairly open in saying that it doesn’t need or want Minutemen intervention. Although they discourage their members from exacting violence upon border crossers, and say that “no hostile confrontations” will be allowed, the Minutemen do not require any sort of background check and are comfortable allowing their members to be openly armed. Also, many civilian groups, such as the American Civil Liberties Union, are so concerned about the potential violence that the Minutemen might wreak on border passers that they are sending out counter-monitors. The Minutemen want you to believe that they are carrying out acts that will have a positive effect on society. I, however, doubt their goals and their methods.
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No doubt since what you wrote is mostly wrong.
 
Ed said:
No doubt since what you wrote is mostly wrong.
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Border Patrol Complains About Volunteers

ACLU plans to follow Minuteman Project

http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/sop.php
You will abide by the laws of Arizona. If you choose to arm yourself, you will do so for the purpose of self defense only; you will never have to take action to defend yourself, for you will abide by the rules of no contact and no engagement. (By the way, no weapons are allowed in the Coronado National Park, but we will not be working there, so no need to go any further).
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Orwell said:
But the Border Patrol has been fairly open in saying that it doesn’t need or want Minutemen intervention.
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I don't fault the border patrol. They are simply understaffed. I would not expect that the Border Patrol would admit that they are all but inefectual which they clearly are.

The minutemen don't worry me. Millions crossing the borders costing us Billions and exposing America to significant threats does scare me.
 
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