Is the Master a fraud?

[TheBoyPaj]

Serious question: How hard would you be laughing if instead of using a bamboo wand the JREF guy had an oak wand, plainly visible to the YB before the test started. But then after the guy was tapped by the wand they say it doesn't count cause it's not bamboo? Or say the guy swung slightly harder than a tap and they said it doesn't count because it wasn't a tap?

Since the protocol must be agreed by both parties, they would have just as much right to reject the test if the protocol was broken in this way.

I think where argument might come about would be if the two parties disgreed about what constitutes a "tap".

But that's not the issue here. We have specified reasons why the procedure that was followed is unacceptable, since the method of attack which was chosen is a) not what was expected and b) prone to introducing other, non paranormal causes for the attacker to fall over.

If YB could give a reason why oak is not acceptable, they could equally reject the test on those grounds.

 

[Suezoled]

Where did SpectorDetector go?

Or did anyone miss him to begin with? *sound of crickets*

Why is the Yellow Bamboo test being considered if the criteria for the preliminary testing hasn't been followed? Wouldn't that disqualify everything? Shouldn't they do the test over again, regardless? With someone who can film decent footage at least (assuming it wasn't Randi or someone else who cut the footage to make it look tantilizing and generate discussion)?

 

[MemeHacker]

(said by memehacker) Or say the guy swung slightly harder than a tap and they said it doesn't count because it wasn't a tap?

Irrelevant question, this particular incident was greatly harder than a tap. Any reasonable person can see that.
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Look at the video again. At the point at which Mr. Tri begings to fall he has barely begun the swing. The swing follows his fall down so it looks like it has his bodys' weight and momentum behind it, but if he is already falling he no longer has complete controll of the stick. What you seem to be assuming was a powerful over head strike to Serregen's skull well may have been intended to be a gentle blow to Serregen's leg. I agree a two handed overhead strike is not what one would first expect for a "tap" but it is entirely possible to do. I actually tested this, you can too. Grap a pole/staff and stand 20 feet away from a tree, walk rapdily (or run) towards the tree while holding the pole in a manner similar to the video. It is entirely possible to begin a swing the way Mr. Tri does with the intent of landing a light (gentle) blow to the side of the tree at leg height.

The length of the stick is key to understanding this swing. Even if very light the natural grip for a longer stick is two handed. There are a limited number of ways for a stick to be held two-handed and his choice certainly isn't unreasonable.

Of course you have insisted the protocls required a "wand". But are sure protocol required for a wand? I commented before subtle changes in wording made me want to see the actual protocol, especially since even if Mr. Tri was a plant there was no reason not to follow the protocol. Now someone from Yellow Bamboo is saying they have a notarized contract with JR's signature which has a number of significant differenence in it compared to what Randi is saying the protocol was.

The contract states ".... and is not
required to actually contact Mr Serengen
except by attempting to gently tap him
with a piece of bamboo..."

i. No where does it specify the size of the piece of bamboo.

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27804

More interesting things to come . . .

 

[thaiboxerken]

Look at the video again. At the point at which Mr. Tri begings to fall he has barely begun the swing. The swing follows his fall down so it looks like it has his bodys' weight and momentum behind it, but if he is already falling he no longer has complete controll of the stick.

That's bullcrap and you know it, Mr. Tri bent his knees to sink his weight into the strike. An overhead strike is not a tap. Mr Tri falls after his pole his the dirt.

What you seem to be assuming was a powerful over head strike to Serregen's skull well may have been intended to be a gentle blow to Serregen's leg.

In a path that happens to travel through Serregen's skull.


I agree a two handed overhead strike is not what one would first expect for a "tap" but it is entirely possible to do.

You are really stretching for this, it's not reasonable to consider that strike a tap in any way, shape or form.


I actually tested this, you can too. Grap a pole/staff and stand 20 feet away from a tree, walk rapdily (or run) towards the tree while holding the pole in a manner similar to the video. It is entirely possible to begin a swing the way Mr. Tri does with the intent of landing a light (gentle) blow to the side of the tree at leg height.

Now try it while sinking your weight and using the same stick speed.


The length of the stick is key to understanding this swing. Even if very light the natural grip for a longer stick is two handed. There are a limited number of ways for a stick to be held two-handed and his choice certainly isn't unreasonable.

To tap a person, it is.



More interesting things to come . . .


You sure like to BS.

 

[reprise]

Where did SpectorDetector go?

Or did anyone miss him to begin with? *sound of crickets*

Why is the Yellow Bamboo test being considered if the criteria for the preliminary testing hasn't been followed? Wouldn't that disqualify everything? Shouldn't they do the test over again, regardless? With someone who can film decent footage at least (assuming it wasn't Randi or someone else who cut the footage to make it look tantilizing and generate discussion)?

SpectorDetector is probably busy starting "More proof that Randi is a fraud" threads over at Ghostvillage.

 

[MemeHacker]

That's bullcrap and you know it, Mr. Tri bent his knees to sink his weight into the strike. An overhead strike is not a tap. Mr Tri falls after his pole his the dirt.

Look at the video carefully, can you know for sure that that is what was going on. IT is entierly possible (even if Mr. Tri was faking the fall) that he is NOT sinking his knees to gain power in the swing. It could be he is beginning to fall and his knees are giving out. His center of gravity is lowering before the swing begins it's downward motion. If you look at frame by frame you can seen him sinking before the pole is even vertical. A person sinking there weight into a strike wouldn't normally look that way. Look again.

In a path that happens to travel through Serregen's skull.

Didn't you just say Mr. Tri falls after his pole hits the dirt? If that were the case and he was aiming for the skull why didn't he hit it?

Multiple people have already commented that the swing appears very off target. Look at where the pole hits the ground compared to where the guys head was. How can you be sure that the head was the target. Seriously, your wildly making assumptions that the video does not support conclusively.

You are really stretching for this, it's not reasonable to consider that strike a tap in any way, shape or form.

I think it is impossible to say for certain that the Mr. Tri's swing wasn't totally thrown off by him falling right before he was going to start it. Mr. Tri's own testimony was that he intended to tap the guy but got knocked down, in his version he never even mentions starting the swing.

Now try it while sinking your weight and using the same stick speed.

If I try to do it exactly like the video it feels very bizarre to me, it is not natural at all how Mr Tri moves. In an overhead swing one generates power by sinking the knees in time with the downward arc of the weapon. He begins to sink when the pole hasn't completed the upward arc, it is a counterintuitve movement and feels very clumsy when I mimic it. I have to conclude, for whatever reason, he begins to sink his knees for a purpose different than generating power in the strike.

Try it yourself.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Look at the video carefully, can you know for sure that that is what was going on. IT is entierly possible (even if Mr. Tri was faking the fall) that he is NOT sinking his knees to gain power in the swing. It could be he is beginning to fall and his knees are giving out. His center of gravity is lowering before the swing begins it's downward motion. If you look at frame by frame you can seen him sinking before the pole is even vertical. A person sinking there weight into a strike wouldn't normally look that way. Look again.

You're simply seeing what you want to see and not what's really happening. You're full of crap.


Didn't you just say Mr. Tri falls after his pole hits the dirt? If that were the case and he was aiming for the skull why didn't he hit it?

The other guy stepped out of the way. I don't blame him, I certainly wouldn't want to get hit in the skull either.


Multiple people have already commented that the swing appears very off target. Look at where the pole hits the ground compared to where the guys head was. How can you be sure that the head was the target. Seriously, your wildly making assumptions that the video does not support conclusively.

Hardly, you're the one that is stretching reality.


I think it is impossible to say for certain that the Mr. Tri's swing wasn't totally thrown off by him falling right before he was going to start it. Mr. Tri's own testimony was that he intended to tap the guy but got knocked down, in his version he never even mentions starting the swing.

Mr Tri is an idiot.


If I try to do it exactly like the video it feels very bizarre to me, it is not natural at all how Mr Tri moves. In an overhead swing one generates power by sinking the knees in time with the downward arc of the weapon. He begins to sink when the pole hasn't completed the upward arc, it is a counterintuitve movement and feels very clumsy when I mimic it. I have to conclude, for whatever reason, he begins to sink his knees for a purpose different than generating power in the strike.

Is Mr Tri proficient in martial arts or the staff? That can easily account for why he doesn't know how to swing the stick properly. Also, looking at the video, I don't see what you believe you see. He sinks his weight into the swing.

 

[MemeHacker]

You're simply seeing what you want to see and not what's really happening. You're full of crap.

No, I am putting time an effort into anlyzing and describing what I see in the video, you can't dispute what I am saying so you resort to insults.

The other guy stepped out of the way. I don't blame him, I certainly wouldn't want to get hit in the skull either.

He isn't visible till the last moment but there is no video evidence for that at all. You are the one "seeing what you want to see".

A few questions for you.

1) Are you saying you can see the guy step out of the way on the video or is that just an assumption?

2) Can you see Mr. Tri starting to "sink" before the swing begins the downward arc? (since you can't clearly see his legs compare his height frame to frame)

3)At what point do you think he is beginning to fall and why are you convinced he has begun his fall in that moment?

4)How sure are you about when the fall begins?
a)100% sure
b)pretty sure
c)sorta sure
d)it's my best guess, can't be sure

5)Can you find the frame where the pole is almost vertical? In that frame Mr. Tri is very hunched forward, maybe 40 degrees from parrell to the ground. But the stick still has not even passed the vertical line.

When I make a full power, sink the knees, consciously bend the torso much more than I normally do kind of swing, I have finished the strike before I am as bent over as much as Mr. Tri is in that frame. I will admit I have had a little training so perhaps my body is more prgrammed than I realize but when I make a swing exactly like Mr. Tri's I feel like I am "falling" into it.

6)Does making a swing like that honestly feel natural to you?(specifically having your torso that leaned forward before the the pole has gone pass vertical in the swing).

7) What do think the odds are that YB has a notarized contract (signed by JR) that mentions protocols that are different than what JR is now saying they were?

 

[T'ai Chi]

I agree a two handed overhead strike is not what one would first expect for a "tap" but it is entirely possible to do.

I am wondering 'why hold the staff like that in the first place?' Why not just hold it sticking out in front of you or slightly to the side. Why even raise it above your head if you were planning on giving a light tap with it?

Perhaps running with other people to your sides almost 100% forces the staff to be held above the head.. ?

 

[thaiboxerken]

No, I am putting time an effort into anlyzing and describing what I see in the video, you can't dispute what I am saying so you resort to insults.

Hardly an analysis at all. You're seeing things that just aren't happening.


He isn't visible till the last moment but there is no video evidence for that at all. You are the one "seeing what you want to see".

No, unless you feel that the target is an idiot, it's reasonable to assume that he stepped out of the way. OR, the whole thing is staged and the striker intended to miss.


1) Are you saying you can see the guy step out of the way on the video or is that just an assumption?

See above.


2) Can you see Mr. Tri starting to "sink" before the swing begins the downward arc? (since you can't clearly see his legs compare his height frame to frame)

No, but you apparently did.


3)At what point do you think he is beginning to fall and why are you convinced he has begun his fall in that moment?

After the pole strikes the ground, he topples over.


4)How sure are you about when the fall begins?
a)100% sure
b)pretty sure
c)sorta sure
d)it's my best guess, can't be sure

A


5)Can you find the frame where the pole is almost vertical? In that frame Mr. Tri is very hunched forward, maybe 40 degrees from parrell to the ground. But the stick still has not even passed the vertical line.

Maybe, if so, then he's simply putting his body into the swing. The pole follows the body movement.

When I make a full power, sink the knees, consciously bend the torso much more than I normally do kind of swing, I have finished the strike before I am as bent over as much as Mr. Tri is in that frame. I will admit I have had a little training so perhaps my body is more prgrammed than I realize but when I make a swing exactly like Mr. Tri's I feel like I am "falling" into it.

That's how untrained people swing poles.


6)Does making a swing like that honestly feel natural to you?(specifically having your torso that leaned forward before the the pole has gone pass vertical in the swing).

Yes, I bend my knees though to keep balance. Mr. Tri did not. Now that I look at his swing more, it's perfectly plausible that he caused his own fall because he sucks with a pole. The act at the end, however, shows something more than clumsiness (probably purposeful acting).


7) What do think the odds are that YB has a notarized contract (signed by JR) that mentions protocols that are different than what JR is now saying they were?

I doubt there is a notorized contract at all. I am thinking this isn't an official prelim.

 

[MemeHacker]

No, unless you feel that the target is an idiot, it's reasonable to assume that he stepped out of the way. OR, the whole thing is staged and the striker intended to miss.

So, you admit your not sure if the guy moved or even if he was the target of the swing. Did it even register in your mind how different those theories of what happend are?

2) Can you see Mr. Tri starting to "sink" before the swing begins the downward arc? (since you can't clearly see his legs compare his height frame to frame)

No, but you apparently did.

Hehe, smart reply.
Mr. Tri is noticably shorter in frame 11 compared to frame 10. Someone posted the frames here:
http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27750

Now some of the height diffrence is beacuse he is starting to lean forward but it looks to me like he probably starting to lower his knees because the lean isn't big enough to explain the height drop. Notice the pole position, maybe 75 degrees.

By frame 12 he is waaaay lower and looks to me to be totally off balance. Pole isn't even vertical yet.

3)At what point do you think he is beginning to fall and why are you convinced he has begun his fall in that moment?

After the pole strikes the ground, he topples over.

I asked when do you think it "began", do you really think it didn't "begin"till after he completed the swing.

Think of the implications of that. It would mean Mr. Tri would have to be a stooge who aimed for the dirt (if he wasn't a stooge he would have noticed serregen jumping out of the way) and then fell over. I can't say for sure what happend but that seems rather unlikely to me.

4)How sure are you about when the fall begins?
a)100% sure
b)pretty sure
c)sorta sure
d)it's my best guess, can't be sure

A

LOL.

5)Can you find the frame where the pole is almost vertical? In that frame Mr. Tri is very hunched forward, maybe 40 degrees from parrell to the ground. But the stick still has not even passed the vertical line.

Maybe, if so, then he's simply putting his body into the swing. The pole follows the body movement.

When I make a full power, sink the knees, consciously bend the torso much more than I normally do kind of swing, I have finished the strike before I am as bent over as much as Mr. Tri is in that frame. I will admit I have had a little training so perhaps my body is more prgrammed than I realize but when I make a swing exactly like Mr. Tri's I feel like I am "falling" into it.

That's how untrained people swing poles.

Certainly if you got enough people eventually you would see some pretty odd techniques but I do insist I don't think that movement is natural. For the record it's not like a body mechnaics expert or anything, are you though?

6)Does making a swing like that honestly feel natural to you?(specifically having your torso that leaned forward before the the pole has gone pass vertical in the swing).

Yes, I bend my knees though to keep balance. Mr. Tri did not. Now that I look at his swing more, it's perfectly plausible that he caused his own fall because he sucks with a pole. The act at the end, however, shows something more than clumsiness (probably purposeful acting).

It is not normal for even an untrained person to fall while swinging a light pole. Your reasonable conlsuion that he could have plausibly caused his own fall goes aginst your other conclusion that he swung how an untrained person would swing.

If it's perfectly plausible he caused his own fall because he sucks with the pole, when did the fall begin? see above.

7) What do think the odds are that YB has a notarized contract (signed by JR) that mentions protocols that are different than what JR is now saying they were?

I doubt there is a notorized contract at all. I am thinking this isn't an official prelim.

Sigh, if you thought it wasn't an official prelim why were you insisting that it didn't count as the preliminary test becasue the specific protocols weren't followed?

 

[thaiboxerken]

So, you admit your not sure if the guy moved or even if he was the target of the swing. Did it even register in your mind how different those theories of what happend are?

Did it register that he is supposed to be the target?


Hehe, smart reply.
Mr. Tri is noticably shorter in frame 11 compared to frame 10.

Now some of the height diffrence is beacuse he is starting to lean forward but it looks to me like he probably starting to lower his knees because the lean isn't big enough to explain the height drop. Notice the pole position, maybe 75 degrees.

By frame 12 he is waaaay lower and looks to me to be totally off balance. Pole isn't even vertical yet.

The center of gravity of the pole is not behind the guy. He is not off balance at that point. You are still seeing what you believe and not what's really happening.


I asked when do you think it "began", do you really think it didn't "begin"till after he completed the swing.

Yes, he toppled over after his lame-ass swing.


Think of the implications of that. It would mean Mr. Tri would have to be a stooge who aimed for the dirt (if he wasn't a stooge he would have noticed serregen jumping out of the way) and then fell over. I can't say for sure what happend but that seems rather unlikely to me.

It is obvious to me.


Certainly if you got enough people eventually you would see some pretty odd techniques but I do insist I don't think that movement is natural. For the record it's not like a body mechnaics expert or anything, are you though?

Yes.


It is not normal for even an untrained person to fall while swinging a light pole. Your reasonable conlsuion that he could have plausibly caused his own fall goes aginst your other conclusion that he swung how an untrained person would swing.

Hardly, he is running, he is excited and he is untrained, it's very likely that he caused his own fall.


If it's perfectly plausible he caused his own fall because he sucks with the pole, when did the fall begin? see above.

After the pole hits the ground.


Sigh, if you thought it wasn't an official prelim why were you insisting that it didn't count as the preliminary test becasue the specific protocols weren't followed?

Because the "protocols" were being argued. Does it have to be "official" in oder to argue the protocols used?

 

[MemeHacker]

By frame 12 he is waaaay lower and looks to me to be totally off balance. Pole isn't even vertical yet.

The center of gravity of the pole is not behind the guy. He is not off balance at that point. You are still seeing what you believe and not what's really happening.
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The pole's weight is neglible compared to his own mass and his own center of gravity is way to far forward. We seem to be going in circles here, maybe you should look at what others have said.

Notice Pyrrho's post and pics here:
http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28067

A few critical frames:

In frame 1, Mr. Tri approaches.

In frame 2, something other than a person appears behind Mr. Tri.

In frame 3, the object is quite evident. Looks like a fabric tube of some kind, possibly a sleeve?

In frame 4, immediately after this object appears, Mr. Tri falls.

His frame 4 is the exact same frame as the one numbered 12 that I was refeering to. Bluemonk (who's thread I linked to before and called it frame 12 http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27750) thought that was when the fall began also. Interestingly, though there is much doubt and debate about what the object behind him is nobody in either thread has challenged the notion that that is when the fall began. And you say you are "100% sure" that the fall did not begin there.

To me it is really clear that you are the person "seeing what they want", your coming across like a religious nut who just happens to believe in "skepticism", you don't even seem to understand the basic princples of it .

Before the video was even released I said Mr. Tri could be lying or bizzarely hypnotized. I wouldn't have considered this test proof even if it had been videotaped in broad daylight with Mr. Tri holding a 12" bamboo stick awalking at a snails pace towards Serregen. Yet you called me a"stupid believer" . . .

I asked when do you think it "began", do you really think it didn't "begin"till after he completed the swing.

Yes, he toppled over after his lame-ass swing.
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I was just giving you a chance to back out in case you missed the exact wording. Sort of like how I gave you a chance to say you were "pretty sure" instead of "100% sure" before.

Think of the implications of that. It would mean Mr. Tri would have to be a stooge who aimed for the dirt (if he wasn't a stooge he would have noticed serregen jumping out of the way) and then fell over. I can't say for sure what happend but that seems rather unlikely to me.

It is obvious to me.
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It's obvious to you that Mr. Tri was a stooge who aimed for the dirt completed his swing, and then fell over???

It is not normal for even an untrained person to fall while swinging a light pole. Your reasonable conlsuion that he could have plausibly caused his own fall goes aginst your other conclusion that he swung how an untrained person would swing.

Hardly, he is running, he is excited and he is untrained, it's very likely that he caused his own fall.
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According to you he falls after he has completed the swing anyways. Really he just kinds of flops over weirdly at that point, more like he fainted. It would be highly unusual for a person to fall at any time while swinging a light pole and the timing and nature of his fall isn't consistent with a "normal" fall either.

Certainly if you got enough people eventually you would see some pretty odd techniques but I do insist I don't think that movement is natural. For the record it's not like a body mechnaics expert or anything, are you though?

Yes.
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Typo on my part (you might have read it how I intended anyways but I thought I would clarify first). The 2nd sentence should have read, "For the record, it's not like I'm a body mechanics expert or anything, are you though?

Is your answer "Yes" to that question?

 

[thaiboxerken]

It's obvious to you that Mr. Tri was a stooge who aimed for the dirt completed his swing, and then fell over???

Strawman, I never said that or implied it.


According to you he falls after he has completed the swing anyways. Really he just kinds of flops over weirdly at that point, more like he fainted.

Flopping over is the same as falling over. He didn't faint, he is conscious.. he may have feignted the convulsions though.

It would be highly unusual for a person to fall at any time while swinging a light pole and the timing and nature of his fall isn't consistent with a "normal" fall either.

That's false, untrained fools fall while trying to use a pole as a weapon all of the time, especially when they are running and excited. Maybe we're crossing wires here, but an untrained person usually swings big weapons like this in a way that looks like semi-controlled falls.... and often they do fall. Just take a look at the Star Wars Kid for a good example www.jedimaster.net .


Is your answer "Yes" to that question?

Yes.

 

[MemeHacker]

It's obvious to you that Mr. Tri was a stooge who aimed for the dirt completed his swing, and then fell over???

Strawman, I never said that or implied it.

Yes, you did. In fact, I virutally repeated back what I had said before that you called obvious.

Think of the implications of that. It would mean Mr. Tri would have to be a stooge who aimed for the dirt (if he wasn't a stooge he would have noticed serregen jumping out of the way) and then fell over. I can't say for sure what happend but that seems rather unlikely to me.

It is obvious to me.

You certainly can re-explain what you meant by "it's obvious to me" but calling my question a straw man is lame. I was surprised at your previous answer myself and was only trying to illustrate how beliveing that nothing out of the ordinary was going on with Joko's balance untill after he completed the swing sets up a really ridiculous series of events to explain why he missed. The specific scenario I described which you called a strawman was one of a very few possibilites that would take into account all the details of that night as you were asserting them.

According to you he falls after he has completed the swing anyways. Really he just kinds of flops over weirdly at that point, more like he fainted.

Flopping over is the same as falling over. He didn't faint, he is conscious.. he may have feignted the convulsions though.

Funny pun.
Flopping is an especially ungraceful or uncordinated form of falling. I said, "more like fainted" beacuse ther is no indication of him trying to even keep his balance at the end of the fall. It's almost like he is frozen for moment after the swing is completed and doesn't have any muscle control to stop from falling sideways . . .

It would be highly unusual for a person to fall at any time while swinging a light pole and the timing and nature of his fall isn't consistent with a "normal" fall either.

That's false, untrained fools fall while trying to use a pole as a weapon all of the time, especially when they are running and excited.
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Perhaps all the beginners in my dojos and all the friends I ever horsed around with were unusually agile but I can't remember ever seeing a person fall from a basic swing ever. I agree it is statistically possible for sure, especially in excited enviroments, but there is no way you can convince me that it "happens all time".

Keep in mind I have already argued the way his center of balance lowers on the upswing isn't right for a clumsy "semi-controlled fall swing" but I do agree many beginners might naturally swing a big weapon in a way in which they sort of fall forward with the swing.

Maybe we're crossing wires here, but an untrained person usually swings big weapons like this in a way that looks like semi-controlled falls.... and often they do fall. Just take a look at the Star Wars Kid for a good example www.jedimaster.net

Well, just to show you how crossed our wires are I was considering using the SWK video as evidence for my case. He gyrates maniaclly while furiously fighting off imaginary attackers from every direction in a manner that is so clumsy it is slapstick yet he still doesn't fall!

Is your answer "Yes" to that question?

Yes.

Really? What makes you an expert?


Lastly, Randi it seems is favoring a theory in which MR Tri was being honest and that YB used some sort of trick (stungun/taser???) to cause the fall.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Really? What makes you an expert?

I am an instructor in martial arts with 8 years of training under Guro Dan Inosanto, Frank Cucci and Chai Sirisute.

 

[Hannibal]

Anyone else think Aforce is back?

First post in about 18 months for me...been away, but it would take too long to explain why - not that many people missed me except Lucianarchy perhaps...

Anyway Impy...No I don't because if he WAS then ALL the posts would CONTAIN RANDOM capitals ...HA HA HA....and so on!

 

[Hannibal]

Two posts so soon after each other...I must be like a bus (you wait for ages etc..)

It seems to me that the whole YB thing is getting a significance WAYYY beyond what it actually is. Basically if YB could do what they claim then they would be able to demonstrate it in a well lit, properly filmed gymnasium/sports hall with an experienced and capable martial artist delivering the strike/tap. I can assure you that if I were asked to strike YB then I would NOT do it late at night on the beach and he would be nursing a broken nose right now.

There is a Japanese system that I heard about years ago called "dim lik" which laid similar claims to YB. I didn't believe it then and I don't now.

Hey YB - why not enter the UFC and win loads of cash by shouting at the fighters? I am sure that guys like Frank Shamrock would be really impressed as they bounced your face off the mat....

 

[gnome]

Regarding your sig:

It's from Jack Handy's "Deep Thoughts" from SNL:

Before you criticize someoe, walk a mile in their shoes. That way if they don't like it you're a mile away and you have their shoes.

 

[SpectorDetector]

It has become obvious that the Master is making my point for me.

He has more crap with him than the idiots he exposes to be frauds.

When it comes time to get the checkbook down from the closet and pay the Yellow Bamboo his integrity will be tested once again. He will fail . His excuses are as laim as his ploy for attention by using the money of others to claim his fame .

One more point : What happens when the money gets paid out? What next ? I guess Mr Randi will have to develop a new angle in order to market his nonsense.