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Is it now time to remove the 9/11 Conspiracy sub-forum from JREF?

No don't close it! I love reading old threads here when I'm bored. Reading Truthers getting schooled by skeptics, entertaining as hell!
 
Zowert said:
No don't close it! I love reading old threads here when I'm bored. Reading Truthers getting schooled by skeptics, entertaining as hell!
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It is. I wouldn't miss it for the world. One wonders how some of these truthers remember how to breathe.
 
Lately I've been wondering why I spend so much time following the subject. Not because there isn't anything new, but because I wonder if 9-11 Truth has so thoroughly discredited itself that there is almost no demand for answers to Truther claims.

On other forums I frequent, whenever someone tries to bring up 9-11 Truth it's met with jeers. Their public events go nowhere. Richard Gage, their one remaining champion, is going to fruitcake conventions and seems to be doing little more than providing himself a salary. Their legal efforts are doomed to failure, because they don't know the first thing about civics and can't learn from their mistakes (or even acknolwedge that they made any). No matter how hard these people get whacked with the clue bat, they don't get it. As a movement they are aimless, ineffectual, incompetent, and irrelevant.

As AJM said, we enjoy it. Yeah, we do. But I wonder if there isn't something else we could be enjoying fighting, something with the potential to do some actual damage to people's lives. Truthers are mostly harmless, other than the deranged murderers who stumble into their ranks. There's still a lot of pyramid schemes, abusive pseudoreligious organizations, shyster psychics, and other things that need fighting too.

At the beginning of Gladiator one of Maximus' underlings said of the opposing barbarian army: "A people should know when they're conquered." Well, a people should know when they've won, too. And we have. So lately I've been thinking of reutilizing my truther-mocking time for something more useful.
 
Oystein said:
Apart from these thought, I am for keeping the 9/11 subforum on purely practical grounds: Because we, here at JREF, are still interested in it. It still generates enough new threads and enough replies to disrupt any other forum that the topic might be merged with.
Plus, it is possibly the #1, the best debunking forum out there.
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+1 - absolutely.

Even if the 9/11 subforum is closed to new threads at some stage, it should still remain here as it is an excellent resource and I, for one, would greatly miss it.

It is actually what drew me here in the first place, as I have a friend who is a deep believer in a variety of conspiracy theories and he considers that it all stems from the Sept 11 2001 attacks. I therefore decided to do some searching to find out what he was talking about in regard to "controlled demolition" and so on, and here I am.
 
Jhau said:
It is actually what drew me here in the first place, as I have a friend who is a deep believer in a variety of conspiracy theories and he considers that it all stems from the Sept 11 2001 attacks. I therefore decided to do some searching to find out what he was talking about in regard to "controlled demolition" and so on, and here I am.
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yeh it's easy to forget that real life is often stranger than the internet, and that as a debunking resource it's still relevant as not everyone has bothered to follow the alleged controversy for the last 10 years.

i forget what exactly sucked me into reading JREF, but i too see that subforum as the resource for any noob who wants to book up and question the rebunkers.
 
Bell said:
Welcome to the forum Zowert :)
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Thank you!

I have been lurking for a long time. The 9/11 Conspiracies is my favorite subforum here. Some of the threads are ridiculously hilarious. How anyone in their right mind would believe in some kind of Government 'inside job' is beyond me. So the motive (if not for insurance $$) would be for a free pass to war, where all the companies with big fat defense contracts would profit. But I can think of much easier ways the United States Government could get the American people behind them to wage war. Think Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria to World War One.
 
carlitos said:
femr2 still hasn't finished his analysis. :)
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Aww. I never knew you cared. People will talk you know.

I suggest anyone not interested in the sub-forum simply ignores it.

Closing it would likely double the volume of new threads, and they'd be going into the rest of the forum.

I recently asked the mods to state the scope of the sub-forum, but no reply yet...


Is the 9/11 sub-forum the place for ALL discussion related to 9/11 (to stop such thread *polluting* the rest of the forum) ?

An official notice would be the clearest route.
 
femr2 said:
Is the 9/11 sub-forum the place for ALL discussion related to 9/11 (to stop such thread *polluting* the rest of the forum) ?

An official notice would be the clearest route.
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That's what I recall reading way back when I first came here. The 9/11 conspiracies despite what they're worth often flood conspiracy related discussion sections... Tends to be more "popular" than your area 51 style conspiracies, and it's more so than the Kennedy types since it sprung out during the age of modern internet. I doubt it'll keep that popularity permanently, but until indicated otherwise I'm fine with keeping the subforum.
 
Out of concern for the JREF community, couldn't my threads be considered 9-11-01 "pollution"?

I don't want to be the one responsible for polluting the Math and Science forum with my nonsense.

Based on them being both conspiratorial and 9/11 pollution...........Polluting the purer JREF environment......
 
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carlitos said:
I beg to differ. femr2 still hasn't finished his analysis. :)




Seriously, I took another look at the Gravy flowchart and I'm taking a few months off here. Wish me luck.
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Java Man still has to present his draft and CE might decide to unveil the 'working hypothesis'. Many chuckles to come,let's keep it going for a while.
 
Major_Tom said:
Out of concern for the JREF community, couldn't my threads be considered 9-11-01 "pollution"?

I don't want to be the one responsible for polluting the Math and Science forum with my nonsense.

Based on them being both conspiratorial and 9/11 pollution...........Polluting the purer JREF environment......
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Humour is never polluting.
 
Major_Tom said:
Out of concern for the JREF community, couldn't my threads be considered 9-11-01 "pollution"?

I don't want to be the one responsible for polluting the Math and Science forum with my nonsense.

Based on them being both conspiratorial and 9/11 pollution...........Polluting the purer JREF environment......
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You're threads individually aren't the problem; it's volume. This is a conspiracy theory section, meaning it covers conspiracy theories in general from 9/11, JFK, Obama birthers, and so on... It's not much of a general conspiracy section if the number of threads popping in it are on one, single subtopic. This subtopic ALONE has 100+ pages of threads... While I find the conpiracy theories themselves stupid I don't see how this constitutes to you, as making all threads contributing to the volume inherently "bad".
 
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Half of the threads on the front page were posted to today and most in the past few days. As I understand it, it was broken off so it wouldn't overpower CT. Looks like it still will.
 
dropzone said:
Half of the threads on the front page were posted to today and most in the past few days. As I understand it, it was broken off so it wouldn't overpower CT. Looks like it still will.
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Exactamundo!
"Got ta keep the loonies on the path..."
 
RedIbis said:
It was Oystein who claimed LS was on the hook for the rebuilding of the WTC, not me.
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Shifting the burden, moving goal posts, false dichotomy, possibly strawman.

It doesn't matter what I ever claimed or didn't claim.
The fact remains that you have never done the sums for Silversteins profits and losses because of 9/11 (or to be more precise: How these changed due to 9/11 and the aftermath, as compared to what they would have been without the mayhem). You never tallied ALL the factor that need to go in that calculation (such as loss of business), and never backed up all the numbers that you did use (for example that he was or will actually be payed out the maximum insurance sums).


(Oh and yes, Silverstein was on the hook for rebuilding; if later agreements were reached with the PO to not actually rebuild, you need to show that the PO made that purely a 4 billion gift to LS without getting anything else in the bargain.)
 
Best keep the ranting lunatics where you can keep an eye on them. I think that the Twoofers are a little more dangerous than most of their sort. There is a very powerful force behind the curtains feeding the a bunch of wierd ideas to further erode confidence in government. Maybe two polar opposite cartels, and one of those is the white nationalist movement.

Every now and then, they dredge up some wierdness hoping it will set the rabble off again. Best to have a live body or two the show the young and beguiled how to avoid whatever BS the Twoofies send our way.
 
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