inside an all white community in arkansas

[Trausti]

When was that, again? How many decades ago were you at school?

I'm Gen-X, baby. But Gen-Z, or Alpha, or Beta, or whatever, ain't that different.

The Power of Shared Experience: Why Students Self-Segregate

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Sheeple gather with other sheeple. Nothing new there.

 

[arthwollipot]

I'm Gen-X, baby. But Gen-Z, or Alpha, or Beta, or whatever, ain't that different.

The world is a very different place than when you and I were at school. When I was at school it was perfectly fine for kids to make casually racist jokes and for teachers to use the cane.

 

[Trausti]

The world is a very different place than when you and I were at school. When I was at school it was perfectly fine for kids to make casually racist jokes and for teachers to use the cane.

And people then, as people now, as people long ago, prefer to be among their own kind. That's just nature.

 

[arthwollipot]

And people then, as people now, as people long ago, prefer to be among their own kind. That's just nature.

I don't think it is. Look at very young children. Kindergarteners don't care if the other kid doesn't look like them.

 

[Donal]

I dunno man. I got to experience multi-racial, urban, US public schools (including forced busing, hurrah!). Black kids went with black kids. White kids went with white kids. Hispanic kids went with Hispanic kids. That was just the way it was. I think one handicap White progressives have in their worldview is that they were mostly raised in homogenous White communities - they just don't know how the world really is.

Funny how conservatives say that despite segregating themselves.

 

[Lithrael]

I'm not convinced it's a genuine preference for people that look like you as much as it is a preference for people you are comfortably familiar with.

Look at the way babies get kind of freaked out by the unfamiliar; You might get a baby that seems frightened the first time they see the face of someone who is a different race and think, ah, racial preference is endemic to humans!! But if they've never seen a big mustache then the first time they see a big mustache they'll get scared and worried for a minute until everything is ok. And yet a mustache is not a racial characteristic.

I think people seek out familiarity, and that very often they are most familiar with people very local to them, which are in turn often the same race as them. It amounts to the same thing by circumstance rather than an actual hardwired racial preference.

As a kid the familiarity I sought out was weird little nerds, I'm afraid, and I think the only overrepresented demographic in there was 'going to turn out to be gay later'

 

[Trausti]

I don't think it is. Look at very young children. Kindergarteners don't care if the other kid doesn't look like them.

Yet somehow they affiliate with their own kind as they get older. No one tells them to do that.

 

[Trausti]

Funny how conservatives say that despite segregating themselves.

Are you one of those liberals who celebrates diversity but opts to live in a majority-White community? Many such cases.

 

[Trausti]

I'm not convinced it's a genuine preference for people that look like you as much as it is a preference for people you are comfortably familiar with.

It's probably something like that, but there's nothing wrong with it. It's a completely normal human behavior. My sense is that it seems wrong to White liberals because they usually, an uniquely, have an out-group preference. All others have an in-group preference.

 

[Donal]

No, my neighborhood is pretty diverse. Are you one of those right-wingers who goes on about morality and protecting children despite simping for a child sex trafficker?

 

[Trausti]

No, my neighborhood is pretty diverse. Are you one of those right-wingers who goes on about morality and protecting children despite simping for a child sex trafficker?

White flight from immigration?: Attitudes to diversity and white residential choice

Results​

Whites select significantly less diverse neighborhoods than nonwhites, but there is little or no racial difference in the destinations that white liberals and conservatives, British Brexiteers and Remainers, and American Trump supporters and opponents move to.

Anyone remember when DeSantis sent those illegals to lily-White Nantucket, and all those morally superior White liberals gushed about diversity but couldn't wait for the National Guard to take them away?

 

[Donal]

White flight from immigration?: Attitudes to diversity and white residential choice

Not sure what this has to do with you simping for child sex trafficking

Anyone remember when DeSantis sent those illegals to lily-White Nantucket, and all those morally superior White liberals gushed about diversity but couldn't wait for the National Guard to take them away?

You mean when they ran out with blankets and food for them and helped them until NG could show up and take them to a facility that could actually address their needs? I'm more than happy to dunk on NIMBY liberals, but those folks showed out that day. And the fact that you're cheering on those refugees (not "illegals") were used as a prop for a right-wing lowlife says a lot about you. You must one of those American style "◊◊◊◊ Jesus" type Christians.

 

[Guybrush Threepwood]

Yet somehow they affiliate with their own kind as they get older.
No one tells them to do that.

 

[W.D.Clinger]

Anyone remember when DeSantis sent those illegals to lily-White Nantucket, and all those morally superior White liberals gushed about diversity but couldn't wait for the National Guard to take them away?

What I remember is that DeSantis sent 50 asylum seekers to Martha's Vineyard (which is west of Nantucket) in September 2022, where the surprised islanders greeted them with humanity and generosity.

When the residents of the tiny island town responded to Ron DeSantis’s stunt with a clinical demonstration of civic virtue, the right just about lost their damn minds.

I remember this because one of my friends, who lived on Martha's Vineyard at that time, gave me a first-hand account of the islanders rising to the occasion by providing emergency housing, food, and other support for those migrants.

DeSantis also bused migrants to southern states such as Georgia and Tennessee, where they were greeted with considerably less warmth than on Martha's Vineyard.

But @Trausti probably prefers to obtain his misinformation from right-wing sources, which would explain his belief that Nantucket (an island east of Martha's Vineyard) is "lily-white". In reality, Nantucket's population is slightly less white than Massachusetts as a whole, more Hispanic (15.6%), less Black (4.2%), considerably less Asian (1.0%), and more mixed (4.5%).

 

[dirtywick]

But @Trausti probably prefers to obtain his misinformation from right-wing sources, which would explain his belief that Nantucket (an island east of Martha's Vineyard) is "lily-white". In reality, Nantucket's population is slightly less white than Massachusetts as a whole, more Hispanic (15.6%), less Black (4.2%), considerably less Asian (1.0%), and more mixed (4.5%).

algorithmic and social media exposure to white nationalist ideas is a big theme in the video in the op

 

[Trausti]

Not sure what this has to do with you simping for child sex trafficking

It found that whether liberal or conservative, White people preferred to move to less diverse areas. It was right there in the quotation.

You mean when they ran out with blankets and food for them and helped them until NG could show up and take them to a facility that could actually address their needs? I'm more than happy to dunk on NIMBY liberals, but those folks showed out that day. And the fact that you're cheering on those refugees (not "illegals") were used as a prop for a right-wing lowlife says a lot about you. You must one of those American style "◊◊◊◊ Jesus" type Christians.

I mean that they didn't want them there. White progressives are all about diversity; but not in their neighborhood.

 

[Trausti]

Good point. Apparently their own kind tell them to do it.

By Third Grade, Black Students Who Self Segregate Are More Popular

They found that black kids who self-segregate ─ who only hang out with other blacks ─ are more popular than black kids who have white friends.

This means that an average black student could increase her popularity by hanging out with other black students. Meanwhile, if she chooses to have white friends, she could put her popularity at risk. Many kids don't have the social capital or confidence to make this tradeoff.

 

[Trausti]

What I remember is that DeSantis sent 50 asylum seekers to Martha's Vineyard (which is west of Nantucket) in September 2022, where the surprised islanders greeted them with humanity and generosity.

I remember this because one of my friends, who lived on Martha's Vineyard at that time, gave me a first-hand account of the islanders rising to the occasion by providing emergency housing, food, and other support for those migrants.

DeSantis also bused migrants to southern states such as Georgia and Tennessee, where they were greeted with considerably less warmth than on Martha's Vineyard.

But @Trausti probably prefers to obtain his misinformation from right-wing sources, which would explain his belief that Nantucket (an island east of Martha's Vineyard) is "lily-white". In reality, Nantucket's population is slightly less white than Massachusetts as a whole, more Hispanic (15.6%), less Black (4.2%), considerably less Asian (1.0%), and more mixed (4.5%).

It's so funny you pretend like the liberals of Martha's Vineyard wanted them, when they were happy to see them board the buses and leave. All those big houses, but no space for diversity.

 

[Guybrush Threepwood]

Good point. Apparently their own kind tell them to do it.

By Third Grade, Black Students Who Self Segregate Are More Popular

Well quite, that's just what they're like isn't it?

 

[theprestige]

When was that, again? How many decades ago were you at school?

Probably around the same time most of the membership here went to school. This is the most boomer-ass internet commutiny I've seen outside of Facebook.

 

[Trausti]

Well quite, that's just what they're like isn't it?

???

 

[W.D.Clinger]

After getting Martha's Vineyard confused with Nantucket, @Trausti continues to emphasize his ignorance of Martha's Vineyard:

It's so funny you pretend like the liberals of Martha's Vineyard wanted them, when they were happy to see them board the buses and leave. All those big houses, but no space for diversity.

Quoting Wikipedia:

In contrast to the seasonal influx of wealthy visitors, Dukes County remains one of the poorest in the state.

The historic presence of African-American residents in Oak Bluffs resulted in its Town Beach being pejoratively called "The Inkwell", a nickname which was reappropriated as an emblem of pride.

Since the 19th century, the island has had a sizable community of Portuguese-Americans, concentrated primarily in the three down-Island towns of Oak Bluffs, Tisbury, and Edgartown; they have traditionally worked alongside other island residents in whaling and fishing. It also has a large community of Brazilian immigrants who work mainly in the maintenance of the island's vacation facilities.

The year-round working population of Martha's Vineyard earns 30 percent less on average than other residents of the state while keeping up with a cost of living that is 60 percent higher than average.

 

[Trausti]

After getting Martha's Vineyard confused with Nantucket, @Trausti continues to emphasize his ignorance of Martha's Vineyard:

Quoting Wikipedia:

But you're not denying they're a bunch of progressives who didn't want to make room for DeSantis's travelers?

 

[theprestige]

After getting Martha's Vineyard confused with Nantucket, @Trausti continues to emphasize his ignorance of Martha's Vineyard:

Quoting Wikipedia:

"This section is written like a personal reflection, personal essay, or argumentative essay that states a Wikipedia editor's personal feelings or presents an original argument about a topic."

 

[W.D.Clinger]

But you're not denying they're a bunch of progressives who didn't want to make room for DeSantis's travelers?

If @Trausti were truly interested in learning about the islanders' response, he could read about it in the Vineyard Gazette's account.

As explained by Oak Bluffs fire chief Nelson Wirtz, who served as chair of Dukes County Emergency Services:

Chief Wirtz said the shelter at St. Andrew’s was always intended to be temporary, but provided much-needed resources like beds, plumbing and a shower.

“We knew we were going to need resources beyond what the Island could provide,” he said.

Within days, the islanders raised almost $300,000 in support of those who were duped into boarding the flight to Martha's Vineyard. (To assist those whose mathematical skills allow them to swallow the lie that drug prices have been reduced by 400 to 500%, that's about $6000 per migrant.)

In the days since the migrants’ departure from the Vineyard, many involved in the response have received negative phone calls, emails and messages on social media. This week, a plane dragging a banner that read “Vineyard Hypocrites” circled the Island.

“The negative comments are coming from people who don’t have any knowledge of what the situation was on the ground,” Chief Wirtz said. “My job … is to take care of the people that are in front of me.”

It is fair to assume @Trausti has been getting his misinformation from similarly ignorant off-islanders.

The migrants are free to leave the Joint Base whenever they please, state officials told the Gazette. Some have already headed to New York, and some have plans to connect with resources in places across the country. For others, a new home could emerge in a region the migrants never intended to visit.

It is my understanding that about four of them are now residents of Martha's Vineyard, but most have settled in parts of Massachusetts (and other northeastern states) where the cost of living is less than on the island.

Just one week after the incident, a class action lawsuit was filed against Ron DeSantis and others. On 29 March 2024, DeSantis and the other individuals were dismissed as defendants, without prejudice, primarily (as it appears to me; IANAL) for the court's lack of personal jurisdiction. Vertol remains a defendant, and the next hearing appears to be scheduled for April 2026.

 

[W.D.Clinger]

"This section is written like a personal reflection, personal essay, or argumentative essay that states a Wikipedia editor's personal feelings or presents an original argument about a topic."

Martha's Vineyard Statistical Profile 2023

For those whose attention span falls short of 150 pages, here is a much shorter preview from 2021:
Census Shows Vineyard Population Has Grown, Diversified

Those who prefer a breezier account of the island's history, sort of a personal essay whose facts can easily be checked, might enjoy A Brief But Comprehensive History of Martha's Vineyard.

ETA: Quoting from the concluding paragraph of that personal essay:

Here’s a fun fact that will surprise you and win you points at cocktail parties: Dukes County (i.e., Martha’s Vineyard) was the poorest county in Massachusetts in 1980, and today remains among the poorer counties. The summer folk with their sumptuous homes brought a lot of money to the Island while their homes were being built, and the vibrant tourist industry keeps money coming in for a good four or five months of the year, but the rest of the time, this is a largely blue-collar community. What makes it special and endearing is that so many of the “regular Joes and Jills” who struggle to make ends meet through the winter are here by choice, because they are drawn to the same things that the celebrities are drawn to, that the writers and painters of the past hundred years have been drawn to. They are willing to do whatever they need to remain here, taking whatever work they can, including writing up summary histories of their beloved homeland for a local newspaper’s website.

 

[dirtywick]

the most fascinating part of the video to me was when you ask actual, undeniable racists a question about their views and just let them talk uninterrupted how ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ stupid they sound. it gets old after a while, but yeah that was what initially drew me into the video.

 

[arthwollipot]

Yet somehow they affiliate with their own kind as they get older. No one tells them to do that.

Yes they do. Not verbally out loud, perhaps, but kids imitate what they see. If they see adults self-segregating, then they will self-segregate. As they have for generations in America back to when Segregation was the official policy of the US government.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I would take my annual leave in the country I was stationed in when on active duty. Traveled around the country, met the people, learned a bit about them, tried their foot. Made the necessary ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ we all found in the military grind worth while. When I retired I had pen pals in 70+ countries. Some still active. I liked meeting new people and seeing new places. I found that, by and large, people were people wherever I went. Made Earth feel almost cozy. Had some ... interesting ... times. Full grown hyena came to my tent one night. Looked around, ignored me, stole my beef jerky. Moocher. Camp honcho said he'd warned us not to keep food in our tents. l forgot that jerky. Fought fores" t fires on the slopes of Mt. Etna, Mt. Pinatubo, helped clean up after taifun hit Japan. Had a house fall on me south of Tokyo. Didn't get a scratch. CO told me "you must be an American gojira!" Wouldn't dream of arguing with a four-striper.

 

[arthwollipot]

Traveled around the country, met the people, learned a bit about them, tried their foot

I'm not here to kink shame, but...

 

[Trausti]

Yes they do. Not verbally out loud, perhaps, but kids imitate what they see. If they see adults self-segregating, then they will self-segregate. As they have for generations in America back to when Segregation was the official policy of the US government.

Ah, the blank state.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I'm not here to kink shame, but...

I thought about correcting that, but then a butterfly flew past and the cappuccino would have gone to waste.

(Peter Boyle joke, you've seen it.)

 

[Donal]

It found that whether liberal or conservative, White people preferred to move to less diverse areas. It was right there in the quotation.

Again, what does that have to do with your admiration of a kiddie diddler?

I mean that they didn't want them there. White progressives are all about diversity; but not in their neighborhood.

You can keep saying that. You'll just keep being wrong.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I'm not here to kink shame, but...

That's what most of the strippers have said...

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I nearly put "stripers" there, but that would have been me making a bass of myself.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

the video briefly mentions orania, a whites only south african town of 1000 people founded in 1991.

Inside South Africa's whites-only town of Orania

The idea of a whites-only town existing in democratic South Africa may be difficult to understand, but the people of Orania say it is the only way to protect their culture, writes the BBC's Pumza Fihlani.

www.bbc.com

why do you guys think it'll fail?

It's drawing on my experience of the bumbling manchildren who usually make up the far right. Don't most of their projects tend to crash and burn?

 

[Trausti]

You can keep saying that. You'll just keep being wrong.

Diversity for Thee—But Not for Me

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

Cults think they are "special", above everyone else. Any hate directed towards them reinforces that feeling of superior exclusivity. It is perceived as jealousy that the "outsiders" can't have what they have, or be what they are.

Meh. If they want to live exclusive lives, let them. The Amish seem to muddle through reasonably well.

In my view, this is also how MAGA and white nationalists view their lives. They have "seen the light" and are special somehow. Their guru and prophet, Trump, knows all and leads then on. They should be treated like the Amish treat themselves: confined to a geographical space and fenced off from society, there to lead their own lives untouched by modern life or national laws.

The difference between the Amish and the vast majority of groups like this is that the Amish don't want to impose their world on everybody else. The Amish are ok living in a world where their neighbours are different. White supremacists are not.

 

[dudalb]

After getting Martha's Vineyard confused with Nantucket, @Trausti continues to emphasize his ignorance of Martha's Vineyard:

Quoting Wikipedia:

True, but Portugeuse..and People from Spain, are not considered, by the the Official US Gov definitiove to be Hispanic, but Europaen,
Hispanic means descended at least partially from the Native Peoples who inhaited the Americas before the Euros showed up.