How Does JE Receive Messages?

[neofight]

This might have been an eyebrow lifting "sports" hit if it were not for the fact that JE is from the area, and the boy's death was so publicized. What I meant in my post was that his lack of knowledge of sports shouldn't matter if he's "speaking" to a dead sports fan.

I think some of you might be completely missing the point. The fact that this hit was "sports" or "Mets" related is not what made it a decent hit.

What made it a good hit was that JE "took" us downstairs into the basement, and told us where we could expect to see a specific item. (I'm still reviewing old tapes of "CO", hoping to find this reading, so we can see the exact wording JE used.)

Anyhow, my point is that it would have been as equally impressive had the item been a Spiderman poster, or a velvet Elvis painting. If JE described it enough to recognize it, and if he specified where it could be found, that's what qualifies the information as a hit in situations like this, imho.......neo

 

[neofight]

But the most efficient, convincing method, their own names, or the names of their living relatives? No.

Apparently, names means nothing on the Other Side. Their initials do, though....

It is perhaps most interesting that the people who come to JE accept this.

Claus, you need to get up to speed. Although JE does sometimes only get initials, or sounds, (like "D-N" for Daniel) he oftentimes gets the whole name right from the beginning, without giving any letters first.

I realize that you no longer see the show, but I'm just reporting on what I know, since I do still watch it on a daily basis. ....neo

 

[neofight]

How could this not be a hit? Only a bekiever would fall out of their chair. Come on.

Well, it the parents-to-be were still getting used to this news themselves, Ed, and hadn't even told anyone else about it, then yes, I think this is a fairly impressive hit, especially within the context of a reading comprised of other accurate statements that they were able to validate.......neo

 

[neofight]

So you never really questioned it then, you just assumed he was getting it from the spirit. Interesting.

I repeat, I would think, but I can't possibly know, that the information about a pregnancy would have to be coming from some consciousness that was conveying it to JE, most likely the same one that was communicating to JE at the time. (Like that example of the woman's mother coming through and bringing up her daughter's pregnancy) Since JE is a medium, and I have come to believe in the concept of mediumship, then this is what I would assume is the source of that information. Not the fetus itself.

So then by this you imply that spirits can communicate, or at the very least sense human presences, even fetus'. How soon in the development of the fetus is it able to be detected, communicated with by spirits, it would have to be quite early for them to know ahead of the woman who is actually pregnant. I find this all rather ridiculous myself.

Well yes. I realize that. With regard to your "how soon in the development of the fetus" question, I don't think it really matters since I doubt that past/present/future time restraints apply to the other side.

Hmmm now I wonder if the baby's "soul" is capable of communication, if it can talk and such. I mean if spirits exist its obvious "souls" don't need physical brains and minds to function or communicate, whose to say then that a baby "soul" couldn't.

Yes, I agree. I think it's quite possible that it could. Providing it's dead. .....neo

 

[Ed]

Well yes. I realize that. With regard to your "how soon in the development of the fetus" question, I don't think it really matters since I doubt that past/present/future time restraints apply to the other side.



Yes, I agree. I think it's quite possible that it could. Providing it's dead. .....neo

This suggests that mediums can tell the future with fair precision and that their knowledge of the past should be daunting. What are the "rules" that preclude this?

What is the distinction between a human fetus and a fully formed rat? Can communication take place with a rat? Is the difference the soul? Do you think that this has some impact on religion?

 

[Ed]

Well, it the parents-to-be were still getting used to this news themselves, Ed, and hadn't even told anyone else about it, then yes, I think this is a fairly impressive hit, especially within the context of a reading comprised of other accurate statements that they were able to validate.......neo

Nonsense. It was an open ended question that could only have gotten something that could be moulded into a hit. Tell me, what response could have been given that you would have construed as a clear miss in this case?

 

[Clancie]

Posted by Instig8r

However, in the unedited, random telephone readings on LKL, JE got vague messages: A "spice name", that could have been any spice, used as a name or nickname, for a living or dead person or animal.

Hi g8r,

Yes, I agree with you that some of LKL messages are vague (not that I've seen any professed cold reader get anything comparable--including Ian Rowland, viewed live, where his mediumship demo yielded....zero hits, not even "vague" ones).

I -do- disagree that all LKL hits were vague messages. For example, (and I realize others disagree ), I consider "cigarettes in the coffin--not his brand" an excellent hit.

 

[Clancie]

Posted by voidx

This implies normal telepathy, or some form of subconscious mind-reading. This is a new JE ability to me, and also if it were true would put his entire mediumship abilities into question.

Hi voidx,

Well, not commenting on the specifics of the readings (which I didn't see), but getting information about pregnancy is something that psychics say they could do, too.. So it's possible that some information a "psychic medium" (i.e. both) receives could also be received through psychic skills, not ADC. Just an observation, not necessarily for JE, but I have heard other mediums explain some of their information being received in this way.

 

[CFLarsen]

Yes, I agree with you that some of LKL messages are vague (not that I've seen any professed cold reader get anything comparable

I see the lie continues. Clancie was not able to tell the difference between a cold reader and JE, yet she still maintains that she has never seen "any professed cold reader get anything comparable".

--including Ian Rowland, viewed live, where his mediumship demo yielded....zero hits, not even "vague" ones).

I have serious concerns about Clancie's testimony, since she has not shown herself to be a very unbiased observer.

I -do- disagree that all LKL hits were vague messages. For example, (and I realize others disagree ), I consider "cigarettes in the coffin--not his brand" an excellent hit.

But on LKL, there is no editing. On CO, where the "cigarettes in the coffin - not his brand" came about, editing is in the contract.

Yet, no bells are ringing for Clancie, no red flags are raised. Just lots of pure, closeminded belief. Just lots of lies, repeated until they become accepted truth.

Amazing. And scary. Clancie is one step away from Pam Blizzard-lunacy.

Well, not commenting on the specifics of the readings (which I didn't see), but getting information about pregnancy is something that psychics say they could do as well. So its possible that some information a "psychic medium" (i.e. both) receives could also be through psychic skills. Just an observation, not necessarily for JE, but I have heard other mediums claim to do this.

Yeah, but how does it happen? Does it really happen at all? Why is "Are you a dad yet?" not cold reading? Does Clancie ever wonder about that?

No, she just categorically states that spirit communication with a fetus is possible. Why? Because other psychics claim so. Well, golly, it must be possible, then!!

Is Clancie a skeptic? You judge.

 

[neofight]

This suggests that mediums can tell the future with fair precision and that their knowledge of the past should be daunting. What are the "rules" that preclude this?

No, this suggests that mediums can only know whatever information it is that others who have crossed over wish to convey to him, and we do not know the extent of the knowledge they possess.

As far as "rules" go, I thought you, Ed, from your lofty position, might have a clearer idea of them than I do.

What is the distinction between a human fetus and a fully formed rat? Can communication take place with a rat? Is the difference the soul? Do you think that this has some impact on religion?

If I wanted to discuss religion, Ed, I'd be on the religion board. Are you suggesting that you, yourself, do not acknowledge a distinction between a human fetus and a full formed rat?......neo

 

[neofight]

Nonsense. It was an open ended question that could only have gotten something that could be moulded into a hit. Tell me, what response could have been given that you would have construed as a clear miss in this case?

Well, a clear-cut "no" sure would not have made JE look good.

Just as the "no" response that the woman getting the phone reading (Dina) was not too impressive. That is, until she came back a few weeks later and said that after years of unsuccessful attempts, her doctor told her that she was indeed, pregnant.....neo

 

[Ed]

No, this suggests that mediums can only know whatever information it is that others who have crossed over wish to convey to him, and we do not know the extent of the knowledge they possess.


Never their last names though, is that so? Just trivialities. You you say that dead people have anything deeper to say than, say, youtr average person on the street?It does not strike you as odd that nothing comes thru that noone could know? Does not the banality concern you?

As far as "rules" go, I thought you, Ed, from your lofty position, might have a clearer idea of them than I do.

Yes, when you are dead, you are dead. Life should be enough of a gift. Asking for more is rude.

If I wanted to discuss religion, Ed, I'd be on the religion board. Are you suggesting that you, yourself, do not acknowledge a distinction between a human fetus and a full formed rat?......neo

At what level? But JE can talk to animals on occasion, right? And the animals have something to say, right? This does not concern you an eeinsey weensie bit? Do not the explanations for the banality of dead people concern you? The lack of substantive communication? It all seems OK and reasonable?

 

[CFLarsen]

No, this suggests that mediums can only know whatever information it is that others who have crossed over wish to convey to him, and we do not know the extent of the knowledge they possess.

Yet, you have no problem imagining what JE thinks and feels.

As far as "rules" go, I thought you, Ed, from your lofty position, might have a clearer idea of them than I do.

Please answer the question: What are the "rules" that preclude that mediums can tell the future with fair precision?

If I wanted to discuss religion, Ed, I'd be on the religion board. Are you suggesting that you, yourself, do not acknowledge a distinction between a human fetus and a full formed rat?......neo

Please stick to the issue: How can JE acknowledge a distinction between a human fetus and a full formed rat?

Well, a clear-cut "no" sure would not have made JE look good.

If the answer was "no", how do you know for sure that JE would not have said "It will happen", or claim psychic amnesia?

Just as the "no" response that the woman getting the phone reading (Dina) was not too impressive. That is, until she came back a few weeks later and said that after years of unsuccessful attempts, her doctor told her that she was indeed, pregnant.....neo

So, JE can in fact tell if there's a fetus or not. Why doesn't he get tested for this?

Again, lots of questions. No answers.

 

[neofight]

But on LKL, there is no editing. On CO, where the "cigarettes in the coffin - not his brand" came about, editing is in the contract.

Yet, no bells are ringing for Clancie, no red flags are raised. Just lots of pure, closeminded belief. Just lots of lies, repeated until they become accepted truth.

Amazing. And scary. Clancie is one step away from Pam Blizzard-lunacy.

Claus, don't you think it's about time you stop trying so hard to make Clancie and me look bad every chance you get? Your own record of accuracy is sadly lacking, and your memory is probably a lot more faulty than all of ours put together, judging from your many, many, many misstatements.

Anyhow, for your information, the "wrong brand of cigarettes in coffin" hit, was from LKL, and not "Crossing Over" as you claim. Here's the transcript within one of Gryphon2's (Clancie's) old tvtalkshows posts, which she addressed to you, Cantata/Claus......

Post # 9 <Gryphon2> 207.175.243.209 May 14th, 2002 02:58 PM

Cantata,
I'm surprised you didn't analyze an even better reading from that Larry King Live, June 19, 1998. Its the "cigarettes in the coffin one". So...how is this explained as just cold reading?

KING: Hi.

CALLER: This is Sherri (ph); I lost my husband about a year and a half ago.

EDWARD: OK, Sherri, the first thing that's coming through is I'm seeing a red rose, and a red rose to me marks an anniversary of a death or a wedding. Did your husband pass, either around your own wedding anniversary or around the anniversary of someone else's death?

CALLER: He passed close to my birthday.

EDWARD: OK, 'cause what he's showing me is that he passes around a special date, or something that you would celebrate. Do you understand that?

CALLER: Yes.

EDWARD: OK. He's telling me -- this is strange, but did you bury him with
cigarettes?

CALLER: Yes.

EDWARD: OK. He's telling me -- I know this is going to sound strange -- was this the wrong brand?

CALLER: Yeah.

EDWARD: He's joking with you. He's making me feel like...

KING: Wait a minute, wait a minute. OK. He was buried with the wrong brand than what he smoked?

CALLER: Yes.

So, even though I still believe that the quick telephone readings are not the ideal format for mediumship readings, that doesn't mean that JE never gets accurate information from spirit.

Is Clancie a skeptic? You judge.

Is ClausFLarsen a mean and nasty bully who can't ever say anything nice about believers? You be the judge. ....neo

 

[neofight]

Never their last names though, is that so? Just trivialities. You you say that dead people have anything deeper to say than, say, youtr average person on the street?It does not strike you as odd that nothing comes thru that noone could know? Does not the banality concern you?

Actually, Ed, there have been a few times when JE did get a last name, but I don't make the claim that it happens very often.

As far as the idea of the consciousness surviving physical death, and love truly being eternal, well, I guess I just don't consider that concept quite as banal as you seem to, Ed.

Yes, when you are dead, you are dead. Life should be enough of a gift. Asking for more is rude.

LOL Well, Ed, if all this is for real, you won't have much choice in the matter, and you'll be absolutely flabbergasted, and probably pleasantly surprised despite yourself, when friends and family members who have pre-deceased you, are there to help you make the transition to the other side.

And who is "asking" for more than life, Ed? I have no problem with the "dead is dead" idea. I just think that mediumship provides some evidence that is not the case.........neo

 

[Ed]

And who is "asking" for more than life, Ed? I have no problem with the "dead is dead" idea. I just think that mediumship provides some evidence that is not the case.........neo

You are. To me, the preoccupation with dead things is sorta Tony Perkins-ish, ya know?

 

[Darat]

...snip...

So, even though I still believe that the quick telephone readings are not the ideal format for mediumship readings, that doesn't mean that JE never gets accurate information from spirit.

...snip...

Neo - don't you find this transcript difficult to fit into your ideas of how JE's mediumship works?

 

[Clancie]

Posted by neofight (emphasis mine)

CFLarsen:

"But on LKL, there is no editing. On CO, where the "cigarettes in the coffin - not his brand" came about, editing is in the contract.

Yet, no bells are ringing for Clancie, no red flags are raised. Just lots of pure, closeminded belief.

Just lots of lies, repeated until they become accepted truth."



neofight:

"....the "wrong brand of cigarettes in coffin" hit, was from "Larry King Live", and not "Crossing Over" as you claim.

Here's the transcript (of it) within one of Gryphon2's (Clancie's) old tvtalkshows posts, which she addressed to you

Thank you, neo, for once again setting the facts straight for Claus.

His misrepresentations of what I say--and the accusations based on those misrepresentation--are too exasperating for me to keep dealing with, as you know .

But I appreciate you still "hanging in there" to bring out the truth of these things, repetitive and tedious though that process often gets.

 

[thaiboxerken]

EDWARD: OK. He's telling me -- I know this is going to sound strange -- was this the wrong brand?

It's a question, not a hit.

 

[Instig8R]

The "cigarettes in the coffin", imo, was the best hit that JE ever got on LKL. However, you have to consider the reading in its entirety. Sherri starts out by saying she wants to hear from her husband, who died a year and a half ago.

First JE asks Sherri, the caller, if her husband passed
(a) around their wedding anniversary, or
(b) around the anniversary of someone else's death.

Sherri responds that he died close to her birthday.

JE then says: OK, 'cause what he's showing me is that he passes around a special date, or something that you would celebrate." I wish Larry King had asked JE to elaborate on this point, because I would like to know whose death Sherri would be celebrating, like a birthday!

Placing objects in coffins is a common practice. I have been to many wakes of smokers, and before the casket is closed, other smokers place packs of cigarettes in the coffin. However, they are placing their own brand of cigarettes in the coffin, not the decedent's brand. Thus, I see nothing unusual about the fact that the wrong brand of cigarette is in the coffin.

Even though placing the wrong brand of smokes in the coffin is commonplace, the fact that JE asked about cigarettes in the coffin would still make it one of his best hits on LKL.

Unfortunately, I never saw this reading, which took place in 1998. Therefore, I have to wonder if Sherri had a raspy smoker's voice, which could have cued JE to say something cigarette-related.

Bottom line: If Sherri had replied that she used to smoke and her husband used to refer to her cigarettes as "coffin nails", or some other familiar figure of speech, it would still be considered a hit for JE.