Bingo. That's pretty much what I had in mind here: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2938305&postcount=13
"It's been found that ignoring evidence against a belief one firmly holds stimulates the same pleasure centers as addictive drugs"
I keep wondering why such an outrageous claim as this hasn't been challenged. It is such a earth shattering scientific discovery, on so many levels. But is there a shred of truth in it?
I mean, isn't it obvious that such an amazing phenomenom has immense value? I simply ignore some evidence that challenges a strong belief, and I am high as a kite! Pleasure center stimulation baby! Whoo Hoo! Fantastic.
In fact, because I don't believe that claim for a second, I must be experiencing intense pleasure right now! How cool is that?
Those are examples of stimulus generalization. I think a better example might be Skinner's "Superstition" in the Pigeon, and that's a stretch.
The striking aspects of Wason's demonstration of confirmation bias are that it is so strong, hard to unlearn and occurs in cases where there is no emotional commitment to the statement being tested.
About 90% of people tested on the 4 card problem get it wrong. Many students still get it wrong after it has been explained repeatedly and some skeptics argue about the correct answer. And who could have any emotional baggage attached to "All cards with a vowel on one side have an even number on the other"?
Westen, Drew; Kilts, C., Blagov, P., Harenski, K., and Hamann, S. (2006). "The neural basis of motivated reasoning: An fMRI study of emotional constraints on political judgment during the U.S. Presidential election of 2004.". Journal of Cognitive Neuroscience.
Shermer, Michael (July 2006). The Political Brain. Scientific American.
Emory University Health Sciences Center (2006-01-31). Emory Study Lights Up The Political Brain. Science Daily.
Is that a citation from Westen or someone else? I have to go to the library to read the actual article. Who said that?Posted by Mr. Scott
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partisans twirl the cognitive kaleidoscope until they get the conclusions they want, and then they get massively reinforced for it, with the elimination of negative emotional states and activation of positive ones
robinson; said:Humor doesn't translate well to this medium, because you can't hear it being said in the Comic book Guys voice.
Well, even with the bushman tongue clicking, what's interesting is that (this is a popular theory in child development at the moment...not sure if it'll still be thought of as "the truth" in 20 years or whatever) in the pre-verbal stage of development, babies/toddlers actually go through and practice all the sounds used in cultures all over the world, and they only retain the ones specific to their culture. So in a way, you could say the tongue clicking is probably genetic to some extent. It just usually gets trumped by some drive to stop making sounds no one around you makes.
Language: genetic. Ability to speak a particular language: learned.
I still say the tendency to commit confirmation bias might just be a by product of something else, and I'd worry about whether it's a trait that is selected for before asking the how or why.
Would you say pareidolia is a trait that evolved? (See my previous post.) Is there a reproductive advantage or disadvantage to seeing the Virgin in a tortilla?
Shouldn't the question be: Why has the tendency for confirmation bias not been eliminated by evolution?
Sorry if someone has already ask this, but I didn't want to look at the whole thread, so I only read a few posts that indicated that no one had![]()
Sound feasible?
Is that a citation from Westen or someone else? I have to go to the library to read the actual article. Who said that?
I believe the request for a citation has been ignored.
Once partisans had come to completely biased conclusions -- essentially finding ways to ignore information that could not be rationally discounted -- not only did circuits that mediate negative emotions like sadness and disgust turn off, but subjects got a blast of activation in circuits involved in reward -- similar to what addicts receive when they get their fix, Westen explains.
I keep wondering why such an outrageous claim as this hasn't been challenged. It is such a earth shattering scientific discovery, on so many levels. But is there a shred of truth in it?
I mean, isn't it obvious that such an amazing phenomenom has immense value? I simply ignore some evidence that challenges a strong belief, and I am high as a kite! Pleasure center stimulation baby! Whoo Hoo! Fantastic.
In fact, because I don't believe that claim for a second, I must be experiencing intense pleasure right now! How cool is that?
I'm not really focusing on superstition.
My main curiosity is in the connection between ignoring evidence that contradicts your beliefs and stimulating the pleasure center. I'm ready to believe that a single genetic mutation resulted in a connection between these two groups of neurons, and that this bit of accidental neuron wiring was then selected for.
In pseudocode one would write this as follows:
FUNCTION Confirmation Bias(input,model)
IF(input doesn't agree with model)
THEN
discard input
stimulate pleasure center()
END
FUNCTION Stimulate Pleasure Center()
whatever you just did, do it again ASAP and with more gusto
END FUNCTION