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Hermain Cain dies after month long battle with COVID-19

acbytesla said:
I thought very much thought the COVID virus was a gift to Donald Trump. It presented an opportunity for real leadership or at least an opportunity to look like a leader. If handled even moderately well Trump would win reelection in a walk.

But Trump being Trump, he made not wearing a mask a statement of freedom and how he knew better than doctors and scientists who made the study of infectious diseases their life's work. The President of the United States was encouraging rebellion as well a promoted not only wishful thinking that COVID would just go away but quack cures.

And nothing demonstrated his incompetence and insanity more than his crazy remarks juxtaposed with Governor Cuomo and Dr. Fauci's calm reason.

If ever the Emperor showed his reign was a vapid and empty sham, it was this.
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It didn't start with the masks, though. He literally couldn't tolerate shutting down all non-essential business for a couple days before he started calling for reopening. That's what ensured that we were screwed. Add in the resistance to testing and we never had a chance.
 
Babbylonian said:
It didn't start with the masks, though. He literally couldn't tolerate shutting down all non-essential business for a couple days before he started calling for reopening. That's what ensured that we were screwed. Add in the resistance to testing and we never had a chance.
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Yes. If Trump had taken this very seriously on day one and shut the country down from coast to coast for 2 to 4 weeks, This might have had barely a fraction of the damage.

It's not an exaggeration to say that Trump's bumbling incompetence will cost this country trillions of dollars and a quarter of a million lives. If not more.

Sadly, Trump wasn't joking when he said he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and his supporters would still be there behind him. It turns out he can kill hundreds of thousands of Americans and many still won't care.
 
Bryan Tyler Cohen (July 31, 2020):
Trump confronted on his call to delay the election, gives HORRIFIC response
 
I agree that he never had any serious intentions of trying to postpone the election; it's all about distraction and, more importantly, sowing the seeds of doubt about the legitimacy of the outcome of the election if he loses.
 
acbytesla said:
Sadly, Trump wasn't joking when he said he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and his supporters would still be there behind him. It turns out he can kill hundreds of thousands of Americans and many still won't care.
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No, that's the problem. Without social media, Trump would've never stood a chance. But with comfy post-fact echo chambers that reshape the world around you for you, spinning, lying, and omitting as neccessary? Trumpkins will tell you with a totally straight face that Trump has done more to fight the virus than anyone else in the world. Because, er, he shut the border with China.

I'm sure that asking them for a list of all the things he's done, to quantify the claim that he's done more than anyone else, would have been answered with a "could Biden have done a better job?".

ETA: also, the fact that they never fail to hold every Trump opponent accountable for their actions, while every gaffe or mistake or terrible thing that comes out of Trump's mouth is just sarcasm, jokes, trolling of libs, and locker room talk.
 
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Stacyhs said:
So much for Trump's claims that children (the younger the better) are practically immune to and not spreaders of Covid 19.

In June, a Georgia summer camp had to shut on after children and staff tested positive for the virus. All had arrived at the camp with recent negative test proof. Only the staffers, not the children, wore masks and increased ventilation was not followed. Within a week, a staffer became sick and half the camp attendees were tested again. The positive test percentages:

Ages 6-10: 51% Ages 11-17: 44% Ages 18-21: 33%

Source: CNN
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If it was a 2 week camp, it actually sounds like a good idea. Just keep them there a bit longer maybe.
All of those age groups have less chance of dying than the flu.
Whoever brought it to camp, didnt give it to an older population.

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the studies I have seen have very low transmission below 10 years old.
 
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dann said:
Bryan Tyler Cohen (July 31, 2020):
Trump confronted on his call to delay the election, gives HORRIFIC response
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Do you have a time code for the specific response? I'm not sitting through 8 full minutes of that loser. Or did he just ramble for 8 minutes? I know he can do it.
 
Two months ago I was on a bank line with two women who'd had coronavirus and recovered. One was probably in her fifties, the other in her twenties. Both described the same experience. They were sick for 10-14 days including a 2-3 day period when they were very sick. Both had congestion but neither experienced trouble breathing. The woman in her twenties said one day she felt so weak she had to crawl to get to her bathroom. That was the day, she said, she began to wonder if she was going to survive it. What do you say to people like this? I told them I was sorry to hear they'd been so ill and was happy for them that they had recovered. I added, "At least you've got immunity now." Both said their doctors had counseled caution, "That they don't really know yet if you can get coronavirus twice."

There is evidence you can. Below are quotes from a page on the health industry advisory board website:
Since the coronavirus pandemic began, there have been reports from doctors throughout the world about recovered Covid-19 patients seemingly becoming reinfected with the novel coronavirus, leaving some people doubting whether humans can become immune to the virus. For instance, a physician in New Jersey has claimed that at least two of his Covid-19 patients had recovered from and tested negative for the coronavirus for months, but then started again experiencing symptoms of the disease and tested positive. One of those patients began showing symptoms of Covid-19 again after attending a party. "So that is … reinfection," the doctor said....Elitza Theel, director of the infectious diseases serology laboratory at the Mayo Clinic who was not involved in [a previously cited] study, said researchers are finding that coronavirus "antibodies will peak at about 20 to 30 days after symptom onset, and then they decline," and "They seem to decline much more rapidly in individuals that were asymptomatic or had mild forms of the disease." Advisory Board link
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Doctors and researchers caution, however, that it's too early to draw definite conclusions.
South Korea's Center for Disease Control and Prevention in one study confirmed that, among 285 cases of people who again tested positive for the coronavirus two months after receiving their initial positive test results (including some who were experiencing Covid-19 symptoms two months after their initial diagnoses), none of the patients' new samples contained enough virus particles to allow researchers to grow the virus from the samples in a lab. Researchers said those results indicated that the patients weren't actively infected with the virus, and the diagnostic tests likely had detected dead virus particles that remained in their bodies or generated false-positive positive results...However, while most experts say they don't think it's likely people can contract the coronavirus more than once within a short period of time, "no one wants to dismiss the possibility" of reinfection altogether, [Monica Gandhi, a professor of medicine and associate chief of infectious diseases at the University of California-San Francisco] said. And [Daniel Griffin, an infectious diseases doctor and researcher at Columbia University Medical Center] noted that, if researchers eventually find two different versions of the novel coronavirus' genetic code in one patient's body, it could point to two separate infections.
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As has been pointed out many times, the less you know about something the easier it seems to understand. With ignorance comes ironclad certainty. ;)
 
alfaniner said:
Do you have a time code for the specific response? I'm not sitting through 8 full minutes of that loser. Or did he just ramble for 8 minutes? I know he can do it.
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Trump's rambling is from 0 to 4:20. Tyler Cohen begins commenting after that.

ETA: Sorry, that video was placed in the wrong thread.
 
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Sherkeu said:
If it was a 2 week camp, it actually sounds like a good idea. Just keep them there a bit longer maybe.
All of those age groups have less chance of dying than the flu.
Whoever brought it to camp, didnt give it to an older population.

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the studies I have seen have very low transmission below 10 years old.
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You're missing the point. Trump claimed that children are practically immune to Covid and not spreaders. The camp experience shows the exact opposite. While those in these age groups are less likely to die, it shows that they are not immune and do spread it. They can take it home to siblings with underlying health problems, parents and grandparents and anyone else they come in contact with.
 
newyorkguy said:
..." Both said their doctors had counseled caution, "That they don't really know yet if you can get coronavirus twice."

There is evidence you can. Below are quotes from a page on the health industry advisory board website:

Doctors and researchers caution, however, that it's too early to draw definite conclusions.

As has been pointed out many times, the less you know about something the easier it seems to understand. With ignorance comes ironclad certainty. ;)
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You've bled the science of COVID over here to the Cain thread. I addressed this over there. There is no evidence people are getting infected twice. Yes, we aren't sure. But these things being described are not evidence. See my posts in the other thread.
 
Stacyhs said:
You're missing the point. Trump claimed that children are practically immune to Covid and not spreaders. The camp experience shows the exact opposite. While those in these age groups are less likely to die, it shows that they are not immune and do spread it. They can take it home to siblings with underlying health problems, parents and grandparents and anyone else they come in contact with.
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Ha! Fake news! People get Covid from demon sperm!
 
Please can we take the medical stuff back to the medical thread? Thank you for your consideration. :D
 
Stacyhs said:
You're missing the point. Trump claimed that children are practically immune to Covid and not spreaders. The camp experience shows the exact opposite. While those in these age groups are less likely to die, it shows that they are not immune and do spread it. They can take it home to siblings with underlying health problems, parents and grandparents and anyone else they come in contact with.
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Sure.

But kids transmit less. We have a lot of other country data now that shows kids in school isn't a big risk. There will be risks no matter what.

However, I hope we do realize that keeping kids OUT of school is a bigger danger for society. The virus is not the only factor here.

I am positive that this virus lockdown has shaved a few years off of my own life...and i have not caught it yet.
Protect the elderly and those with health conditions. Let everyone else go on with reasonable safety measures.
 
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