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arayder

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Rob Menard has recently been hyping his indoor grow systems and is telling everyone on Facebook that he's had a meeting with an un-named vegetarian restaurant chain interested in purchasing a great many units in order to grow vegetables for their restaurant chain.

After hyping the meeting Menard give his Facebook readers a report. The emphasis is mine:

Robert Menard: Well that went about as well as I hoped! Very cool folks, and although they liked my design it was not what they were looking for. They prefer an aeroponics misting system for the roots as opposed to a flood and drain system, they want the units fixed in place but still modular instead of mobile units, and they want to be able to go up at twice or three times the height of my design. They did like my design for someone who wants to maybe grow in their garage, but they have in mind a much higher production capacity than my design was aiming for.

So... they asked me to redesign my unit to meet their needs, include greater detail in the drawings so they can get it in front of an engineer and do a cost analysis, and give a better more detailed construction plan. If I can come in under about $3500 US for a 4'x 8' multi-tier modular plug and play units and still include the control system, I think they may offer me the contract to set up their urban farm, or, consider a partnership and creation of a new corporate entity to manufacture and sell these larger industrial sized units.

They liked it, they just want bigger. Either way, I see them in two weeks with the new plan, designed to their stated specs.

Those of you who are familiar with Rob's entrepreneurial efforts and inventions will recall his proposed vitamin supplement product, his pitched property stewardship company, which was to employ homeless people to renovate foreclosed properties, and the infamous Ninja Goat, an outdated motorized camera platform he proposed to sell to the film industry.

If you recall each effort was hyped on the internet or on Facebook showing the usual Menard excitement with the supposedly bold new idea. In each case a meeting with or a solid connection to the product's prospective users was hyped and reported on. In each case Menard said he needed to make a few more adaptions to his invention or idea, but needed just a few more thousand dollars to get the project rolling.

I have to admit that this time I was hoping Bobby might, in his 50's, be on the way to making his way in the world. But I see the pattern. I think all Bobby wants are investors who will eventually be told that the project didn't happen and their money went up in smoke.

Think about it. The Facebook faithful are being told that a successful restaurant chain is calling serious meetings with guy who, by a simple Google search, can be discovered as a failed freeman guru on the run from the courts.

Oh, please!
 
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Rob Menard has recently been hyping his indoor grow systems and is telling everyone on Facebook that he's had a meeting with an un-named vegetarian restaurant chain interested in purchasing a great many units in order to grow vegetables for their restaurant chain.

After hyping the meeting Menard give his Facebook readers a report. The emphasis is mine:



Those of you who are familiar with Rob's entrepreneurial efforts and inventions will recall his proposed vitamin supplement product, his pitched property stewardship company, which was to employ homeless people to renovate foreclosed properties, and the infamous Ninja Goat, an outdated motorized camera platform he proposed to sell to the film industry.

If you recall each effort was hyped on the internet or on Facebook showing the usual Menard excitement with the supposedly bold new idea. In each case a meeting with or a solid connection to the product's prospective users was hyped and reported on. In each case Menard said needed to make a few more adaptions to his invention or idea, but needed just a few more thousand dollars to get the project rolling.

I have to admit that this time I was hoping Bobby might, in his 50's, be on the way to making his way in the world. But I see the pattern. I think all Bobby wants are investors who will eventually be told that the project didn't happen and their money went up in smoke.

Think about it. The Facebook faithful are being told that a successful restaurant chain is calling serious meetings with guy who, by a simple Google search, can be discovered as a failed freeman guru on the run from the courts.

Oh, please!

He is thinking way way to small - tell the chronic underachiever to research "Brilliant Light Power" and a guy called Dr. Mills on a perfectly legal way to make millions.
 
Bobby's pattern regarding his pitched business ideas and freeman projects has been to say nothing after the initial enthusiasm dies down.

Nobody knows why the projects and products failed or what happened to the money.
 
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So he wants people to think he can reinvent hydroponics and make it profitable on a large scale?

Good luck with that.........
 
So he wants people to think he can reinvent hydroponics and make it profitable on a large scale?

Good luck with that.........

Yeah, my understanding is that restaurants that strive to serve unprocessed foods or are "vegetarian" rely on trusted farmers/growers to provide them with wholesome produce in bulk.

I am by no means an expert, but I can't see how a chain would hope to grow enough of even their rarely used garnishments in a bank of grow boxes.
 
Rob Menard has recently been hyping his indoor grow systems and is telling everyone on Facebook that he's had a meeting with an un-named vegetarian restaurant chain interested in purchasing a great many units in order to grow vegetables for their restaurant chain.

I saw "indoor grow systems" and immediately thought it was for a product other than vegetables. And which is being grown legally in considerably quantities here in my state. Indoors, in many cases. Menard is obviously working in the wrong country/state.
 
It seems to me that, by saying he needs to raise money, Menard is tacitly admitting all his magic "I don't need money"/ "I can pay for stuff without money" ideas are so much rubbish.

Reading closely we see that Bobby hasn't asked for money yet. He says he needs to come up with a new design. The inference that he needs help doing so is clear.

When Bobby needs help, hide your checkbook.

If his old form holds he'll make the pitch saying the restaurant needs a working prototype which he can't make without some funds.

The maybe some up front money from him to show he can make the first run of the boxes.

Then there's the capital needed start full scale manufacture.
 
Reading closely we see that Bobby hasn't asked for money yet. He says he needs to come up with a new design. The inference that he needs help doing so is clear.

When Bobby needs help, hide your checkbook.

If his old form holds he'll make the pitch saying the restaurant needs a working prototype which he can't make without some funds.

The maybe some up front money from him to show he can make the first run of the boxes.

Then there's the capital needed start full scale manufacture.

Does he have to spend anything to create the business and as he is, in theory, producing food does it have to meet any kind of safety and health requirements?
 
Reading closely we see that Bobby hasn't asked for money yet. He says he needs to come up with a new design. The inference that he needs help doing so is clear.

When Bobby needs help, hide your checkbook.

If his old form holds he'll make the pitch saying the restaurant needs a working prototype which he can't make without some funds.

The maybe some up front money from him to show he can make the first run of the boxes.

Then there's the capital needed start full scale manufacture.

Does he have to spend anything to create the business and as he is, in theory, producing food does it have to meet any kind of safety and health requirements?

Bobby is saying he is proposing to sell grow boxes to a chain of vegetarian restaurants. If this fairy tale ever happened somewhere along the line of production Bobby would encounter some sort of government regulation.

In the past one of his main excuses for not getting his products to market is that the bad old government required him to do something which if done would create joinder with the government and make him a slave of the state.

This grade school ploy allows FailureBobby to throw in the towel, claim that the bad old government has screwed him again and drown himself in a river of Moose Heads.
 
Yeah, my understanding is that restaurants that strive to serve unprocessed foods or are "vegetarian" rely on trusted farmers/growers to provide them with wholesome produce in bulk.

I am by no means an expert, but I can't see how a chain would hope to grow enough of even their rarely used garnishments in a bank of grow boxes.

IMO, it would be cheaper and more efficient in the long run, to outright BUY an organic vegetable farm.
 
IMO, it would be cheaper and more efficient in the long run, to outright BUY an organic vegetable farm.



Maybe "cheaper and more efficient" as compared to this idea of Menard's, but really, how many people in the restaurant business are keen to move into the farming business? Why take on a whole new set of challenges and risks, that other than the products involved, are utter different from your current business? Why give up the flexibility of buying from multiple vendors, which allows you choice in quality, quantity, price, availability, range of products, timeliness, and a host of other factors?

This sounds like he's trying to get in on the feel-good "Farm to fork" idea, but without thinking it through.
 
Is it possible Menard is for real this time?

Think of the kid in your garage band 20 years ago who said he was auditioning for U2 but wasn't allowed to tell you about the details since he was slated to replace a band member who'd raise a stink if he knew he was on the bubble. Later he said the audition went great but he was just too edgy for U2, so by mutual consent he and Bono parted ways. He said they would probably call him back in a few months when they realized their mistake.

Based on his new rep he said he wanted to write all the band's songs.

The next day you threw him out of the band.

Today he lives in a shack with no discernible income.
 
Where is the conspiracy here?

No conspiracy, but this is the forum for all things "freemen on the land", and "sovereign citizen".

Menard's schitck was to be a "freeman on the land" guru for a bit, and all of the crap related to this failed conman ends up here as well.
 
No conspiracy, but this is the forum for all things "freemen on the land", and "sovereign citizen".

Menard's schitck was to be a "freeman on the land" guru for a bit, and all of the crap related to this failed conman ends up here as well.
I'm aware of Menard's FMOTL crap, and that's certainly on topic here. I just don't see why this particular discussion had anything to do with this forum.

We don't need a thread for everything that a lame, drunk loser does, do we? I'd prefer skip the dull dreams and schemes when they aren't relevant. Not everything a conspiracy theorist says or does needs direction here.

Just a thought.
 
We are acting like the grow box thing is a project to be planned and executed.

It's not about doing anything. It's all about the illusion Menard is trying to preserve.

The facade Menard tries to present is that of a moral, resourceful, self-sufficient and hard working freemen who has no need for government and it's rules. This front is intended to make all the freemen legal and life style advice he gives seem practical and realistic.

The endless projects may seem like a lot of effort for nothing but the need to preserve the illusion is so strong that Menard will create ventures he knows he'll never get going just to make himself look like the sort of take charge freeman from whom one might want to buy legal advice.
 
We are acting like the grow box thing is a project to be planned and executed.

It's not about doing anything. It's all about the illusion Menard is trying to preserve.

The facade Menard tries to present is that of a moral, resourceful, self-sufficient and hard working freemen who has no need for government and it's rules. This front is intended to make all the freemen legal and life style advice he gives seem practical and realistic.

The endless projects may seem like a lot of effort for nothing but the need to preserve the illusion is so strong that Menard will create ventures he knows he'll never get going just to make himself look like the sort of take charge freeman from whom one might want to buy legal advice.
Ah, so anytime Menard attempts to appear vaguely competent, it's on topic here, since an appearance of competence would help his Freeman project.

Of course, this is nonsense. This forum is for discussing conspiracies, and Menard's latest fantasy had nothing to do with conspiracies.
 
I saw "indoor grow systems" and immediately thought it was for a product other than vegetables. And which is being grown legally in considerably quantities here in my state. Indoors, in many cases. Menard is obviously working in the wrong country/state.

Yeah, I have a buddy who lives in a legal to grow state & he has a set up similar to what Menard is describing that cost $1500 including lights & I believe it's twice the size.
 

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