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GSIC AUDIO

Re: Re: Re: GSIC AUDIO

LostAngeles said:
So KRAMER either doesn't post it and gives another thing to be kvetched about or does and appears to cave into to kvetching. Which, might I add, seems to be your whole 5 post contribution, but then, I'm sick and cranky this early morning. I may think better of that comment later or I might not care. Likely, I'll be more concerned with some more exams, so it'll be the latter.

Like Beth, I too have "professional" concerns, though not on the Ph.D level and not for another three years or so. I have privacy concerns too.

And yet, none of those factor into why I think the application wasn't posted. Which I won't share because I'm not KRAMER and it's useless for me to even speculate privately about his motivations and thoughts.

Oh and Beth asked for anonymity, which isn't the same as not posting the application.

Are we good on the protocol? Use of Peter and the Wolf?
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Peter and the Wolf is an excellent choice, I think. :)

Regarding "friend stormer", there have been an awful lot of "new posters" that jump in with strong opinions on JREF, GSIC, Anda and Kramer lately. And they only seem to post in this particular forum... you never see them contributing elsewhere that I've noticed.

Not that I'm drawing any conclusions from that. (humming a light and airy tune) :D
 
There is a new review for the GSIC linked at the Machina Dynamica website. I wrote to the reviewer, Bill Gaw:

Dear Bill,
I recently read your review of the Golden Sound Intelligent Chip on Enjoy the Music.com. Are you aware that if you can demonstrate the ability to repeatedly identify a CD treated with the GSIC from an untreated CD under proper double blind listening conditions, the James Randi Educational Foundation will pay you one million dollars?
I am interested in hearing your thoughts on this.

Regards,

Paul Little

We shall see what we shall see.
 
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jmercer said:
Peter and the Wolf is an excellent choice, I think. :)

Regarding "friend stormer", there have been an awful lot of "new posters" that jump in with strong opinions on JREF, GSIC, Anda and Kramer lately. And they only seem to post in this particular forum... you never see them contributing elsewhere that I've noticed.
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I happened to notice that too. The phenomenon is extraordinary! Extraordinary, I tell you!
Not that I'm drawing any conclusions from that. (humming a light and airy tune) :D
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Me neither. (tries to hum a light and airy tune but fails. Hums the ominous 'Dies Irae' theme instead and finds it oddly appropriate.)
 
Kramer wrote...

Kramer

CFI-West has been contacted, and we have every confidence that a proper test of the GSIC is forthcoming. The applicant's willingness to suspend her own privacy and see herself held up to public ridicule as a JREF stooge is to be commended, in my opinion.
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Let me second that commendation.

And LA, if you need a contribution to help with any costs, let me know in a PM and I'll send what I can via PayPal. (No credit cards, got it. :))
 
Gr8wight said:
There is a new review for the GSIC linked at the Machina Dynamica website.
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From the review:
I do have to admit that there would appear to be some magic involved.
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Then it would appear to be proper to engage the services of an expert magician to analyze the device, right? I wonder how many were contacted.

I anxiously await the response to your inquiry, but my gut tells me it will have amazing parallels with Wellfed et al.
 
Re: Re: Re: GSIC AUDIO

Originally posted by LostAngeles:
Are we good on the protocol? Use of Peter and the Wolf?
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Seems like a particularly good choice to me. (Who's performing, out of curiosity?)
 
Sherman Bay said:
I anxiously await the response to your inquiry, but my gut tells me it will have amazing parallels with Wellfed et al.
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I am not really expecting a response. If I get one, I expect it will be one of two things:

1) The reviewer's opinion that the JREF challenge is a fraud.

2) The reviewer's opinion that double blind testing is useless when evaluating audio.
 
Peter and the Wolf

If it would be possible, can we see a photo posted here of you actually holding the GSIC chip once it arrives in the mail?

BTW, my dad performed Peter and the Wolf as the solo bassoonist with the Denver Symphony, and would often perform the piece at home (I recall from my childhood). You have indeed chosen a wonderful piece with which to try and claim a million dollars!

If you can hear the GSIC effect of "more air" it would be very evident in the bassoon part, as the Grandfather.

7 orchestral instruments are played to tell the story.
Flute
Oboe
Clarinet
Bassoon
French horn
Strings
Tympani

and also a (non-orchestral)
Bass drum

Ba-Boom!
 
Webby, you just want to see a picture of a pretty, smart girl... just admit it! ;)

(Not that I'd mind myself... :D)
 
alfaniner wrote:

BTW, the William Tell Overture has never been anything more than just that, to me.






Just DONT watch "A Clockwork Orange"....!
 
I'm not going to read the whole thread, so I'll just ask: Has someone thought of cloning a CD into a bit by bit image, then treating it, then cloning it again, and finally comparing the two images? If there are no difference, then the sound produced will not be different in any predictable way, only in any normal variations from the speakers, etc.
 
Donks said:
I'm not going to read the whole thread, so I'll just ask: Has someone thought of cloning a CD into a bit by bit image, then treating it, then cloning it again, and finally comparing the two images? If there are no difference, then the sound produced will not be different in any predictable way, only in any normal variations from the speakers, etc.
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Naturally.

However, does this test eliminate for the possibility of magical invisible fairies that hover under the CD intercepting the reading by holding up a very,very small piece of Aluminum foil? Since no one is listening when the bit-by-bit is done, well! the fairies can simply go take pictures with children....

oh, you want to listen to it when you do the bit-by-bit, umm, well the fairies then fly away from the CD and go into your ears and then...... You get the picture.

It's problematic when people simply claim it works and have heard that it works. They are then free to come up with their own explainations that may or may not make sense. A bit-by-bit comparison shows the data is the same, so that performed test must mean that "some other science" is going on wih the device.
 
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Naturally.

However, does this test eliminate for the possibility of magical invisible fairies that hover under the CD intercepting the reading by holding up a very,very small piece of Aluminum foil? Since no one is listening when the bit-by-bit is done, well! the fairies can simply go take pictures with children....

oh, you want to listen to it when you do the bit-by-bit, umm, well the fairies then fly away from the CD and go into your ears and then...... You get the picture.

It's problematic when people simply claim it works and have heard that it works. They are then free to come up with their own explainations that may or may not make sense. A bit-by-bit comparison shows the data is the same, so that performed test must mean that "some other science" is going on wih the device.
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I just have a hard time comprehending how someone could claim a CD would sound differently if the data is the same. I can't wrap my head around the stupidity of the idea :)
 
Donks said:
I just have a hard time comprehending how someone could claim a CD would sound differently if the data is the same. I can't wrap my head around the stupidity of the idea :)
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And that, my friends, sums up the essence of our difficulties with Michael just perfectly.

Rolfe.
 
Donks said:
I'm not going to read the whole thread, so I'll just ask: Has someone thought of cloning a CD into a bit by bit image, then treating it, then cloning it again, and finally comparing the two images? If there are no difference, then the sound produced will not be different in any predictable way, only in any normal variations from the speakers, etc.
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It was done by another reviewer on the Audiophile forum prior to Mr. Anda making his claim here at JREF. The results were predictable - no change between the two on a bit-by-bit comparison. :) (Nor did any of the other reviews hear a difference between a treated and untreated CD.)

Mr. Anda was aware of this test (since the person who did it also wrote a rather critical response to Mr. Anda's review of the GSIC), yet Mr. Anda proceeded with his application.

Unless something truly unexpected occurs with LA's test - proving us all wrong - this is an extraordinary insight into the psychology of people who believe in the impossible. And once again, I have to applaud LA's willingness to do what she's doing (and her reasons, too!), and my respect for her is enormous.
 
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jmercer -- was I being THAT transparent?

No wonder the line I use with women in nightclubs (of being a Sports Illustrated swimsuit photographer) fails miserably.

Back to the drawing board...
 
Oh, I dunno if you were being that transparent, so much as most of us guys think the same way. ;)
 
jmercer said:
Oh, I dunno if you were being that transparent, so much as most of us guys think the same way. ;)
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He so was.

While I'm posting, let me make sure I've done everything so far.

Submitted an application. Check.
Come up with a protocol after some wrangling. Check.
Insulted Kramer and the JREF.
Submitted protocol. Check.

Doh!

Dear KRAMER,

You so liah.

Also, YOUR MOM.

And Randi, to you I also say, YOUR MOM.


(What? That makes as much sense as all the other insults, right?)
 
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