god is impossible

[Interesting Ian]

And what about an attractive lady turning you down for a date? Is that evil?

 

[Interesting Ian]

Ian, I'd be interested to know why - given that you're an idealist - you think 'creation'
(reason 2), was not deliberate.

Maybe the Universe always existed. Anyway, talking about creation implies creation is a more special event than the second by second existence of the Universe.

 

[lifegazer]

Maybe the Universe always existed.

The effects of the universe always existed? Nope. Effects cannot be their own cause.

Anyway, talking about creation implies creation is a more special event than the second by second existence of the Universe.

True. Every change is a new creation. But the beginning was special in that it earmarked the origin of [perceived] change itself.

What sort of idealist are you? A buddhist?

 

[Johnny Pneumatic]

Interesting Ian quote:
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Originally posted by Yahweh
Personally, I didnt like the immutable one... here's a few that I like better.

Argument from Evil:


quote:
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1. If God exists, then God is omnipotent, omniscient, and morally perfect.
2. If God is omnipotent, then God has the power to eliminate all evil.
3. If God is omniscient, then God knows when evil exists.
4. If God is morally perfect, then God has the desire to eliminate all evil.
5. Evil exists.
6. If evil exists and God exists, then either God doesn't have the power to eliminate all evil, or doesn't know when evil exists, or doesn't have the desire to eliminate all evil.
7. Therefore, God doesn't exist.


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Yahwah, how little evil in the world would there need to be before being compatible with such a definition of God? None whatsoever? If so could you explain what evil is? Is being melancholy evil for example?









Ian; how about rape, killing of innocents.... need I go on?

 

[Interesting Ian]

Interesting Ian quote:
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Originally posted by Yahweh
Personally, I didnt like the immutable one... here's a few that I like better.

Argument from Evil:


quote:
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1. If God exists, then God is omnipotent, omniscient, and morally perfect.
2. If God is omnipotent, then God has the power to eliminate all evil.
3. If God is omniscient, then God knows when evil exists.
4. If God is morally perfect, then God has the desire to eliminate all evil.
5. Evil exists.
6. If evil exists and God exists, then either God doesn't have the power to eliminate all evil, or doesn't know when evil exists, or doesn't have the desire to eliminate all evil.
7. Therefore, God doesn't exist.


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Yahwah, how little evil in the world would there need to be before being compatible with such a definition of God? None whatsoever? If so could you explain what evil is? Is being melancholy evil for example?

Ian; how about rape, killing of innocents.... need I go on?

Would you care to answer the questions I asked Yahweh? Your comment here doesn't.

 

[c4ts]

Why does God have to be perfect? You read the Old Testament and you find God correcting his mistakes all over the place.

 

[Johnny Pneumatic]

1:god is invincible.
2:god is omnipotent.
3:if god wanted to destroy himself he could not.
4:god is not omnipotent.
5:god does not exist. -bewareofdogmas

 

[SFB]

Yahwah, how little evil in the world would there need to be before being compatible with such a definition of God? None whatsoever? If so could you explain what evil is? Is being melancholy evil for example?

You are a stupid idiotic twit. I'm sick of reading your ignorant posts. (But still do...........)

To answer your question: any evil.

Now do you want to define evil? Give it a try.

You continually throw the ball in the other court without offering your own suggestions, then back down. I am sick of it.

I'd call the Xtian God evil from HIS actions in the Bible. You are not that ignorant, are you?

You define evil, and we'll see if there is a consensus.

This is stupid, and you make it that way, II.

It is clear to me Yahweh's post is logical. You, however, delve into nonsense. Utter Nonsense.

Concede II: you are not obeying logic, common sense, or observable reality, but wish to explain things you cannot understand, let alone explain lucidly.

You have failed to explain yourself.

You may or may not choose to respond to this, but if you do, I bet it'll be out of context. You'll pick a piece of this instead of responding to the underlying ideas. Or you'll miss those ideas in favor of your's.

From many of your previous posts, I see that you will attack, or respond, instead of acknowledging the gist, the main focus.

 

[Interesting Ian]

Ian; how about rape, killing of innocents.... need I go on? [/B]

Just to address these 2 acts. You say God ought to have created a world where these acts never occur. How should he have ensured this? Should he have done it so that people don't want to rape and kill? Or should he alter physical laws accordingly so we're unable to commit these acts?

 

[Interesting Ian]

You are a stupid idiotic twit. I'm sick of reading your ignorant posts. (But still do...........)

To answer your question: any evil.

Now do you want to define evil? Give it a try.

You continually throw the ball in the other court without offering your own suggestions, then back down. I am sick of it.

I'd call the Xtian God evil from HIS actions in the Bible. You are not that ignorant, are you?

You define evil, and we'll see if there is a consensus.

This is stupid, and you make it that way, II.

It is clear to me Yahweh's post is logical. You, however, delve into nonsense. Utter Nonsense.

Concede II: you are not obeying logic, common sense, or observable reality, but wish to explain things you cannot understand, let alone explain lucidly.

You have failed to explain yourself.

You may or may not choose to respond to this, but if you do, I bet it'll be out of context. You'll pick a piece of this instead of responding to the underlying ideas. Or you'll miss those ideas in favor of your's.

From many of your previous posts, I see that you will attack, or respond, instead of acknowledging the gist, the main focus.

I think that the world could have been of such a nature that we are all much more "happy".

Should God have created a world where all sentient beings experience the maximum logically possible "happiness"?

 

[Johnny Pneumatic]

Ian's stupidity is wearing me down. go away troll!

 

[Interesting Ian]

Ian's stupidity is wearing me down. go away troll!

Could you enlighten this poor stupid person and answer my question then?

Should God have created a world where all sentient beings experience the maximum logically possible "happiness"?

Yes or no?

 

[Johnny Pneumatic]

yes, if god was real.

 

[Interesting Ian]

yes, if god was real.

Would this answer still be yes no matter what the purpose of life is?

 

[T'ai Chi]

1:god is invincible.
2:god is omnipotent.
3:if god wanted to destroy himself he could not.
4:god is not omnipotent.
5:god does not exist. -bewareofdogmas

You've managed to show that some peoples' conception of a certain God might be contradictory. -But I don't see how that shows that God doesn't exist.

 

[Yahweh]

Yahwah, how little evil in the world would there need to be before being compatible with such a definition of God? None whatsoever? If so could you explain what evil is? Is being melancholy evil for example?

Simple answer: Evil is what pisses god(s) off (he is - supposedly - infallible ya know).

 

[Yahweh]

Would you care to answer the questions I asked Yahweh? Your comment here doesn't.

Bewareofdogma's comments are perfectly fine, this is an open forum.

 

[Yahweh]

1:god is invincible.
2:god is omnipotent.
3:if god wanted to destroy himself he could not.
4:god is not omnipotent.
5:god does not exist. -bewareofdogmas

(I'm just posting this because my postsperday count is getting low...)

From ChristianAnswers.net:

If God is all-powerful, can He create a rock so big that He can't lift it?
No. God cannot do the logically impossible, any more than He can act out of character with Himself. God cannot, for instance, create a square circle, stop being good, or cease being God. God can do everything that is possible to do, which includes those acts for which there may be no simple, immediate, apparent, human explanation, i.e. miracles. For further study, see Jeremiah 32:17, Matthew 19:26, Hebrews 6:18, and 2 Timothy 2:13.

Dont worry, Christian logic is often very fuzzy, very evasive, and "bad". See Who created God?:

A number of sceptics ask this question. But God by definition is the uncreated creator of the universe, so the question ‘Who created God?’ is illogical, just like ‘To whom is the bachelor married?’

How nice, the question of God's origins is obscured by deliberate (and shoddy) semantics...

So a more sophisticated questioner might ask: ‘If the universe needs a cause, then why doesn’t God need a cause? And if God doesn’t need a cause, why should the universe need a cause?’ In reply, Christians should use the following reasoning:

1. Everything which has a beginning has a cause.
2. The universe has a beginning.
3. Therefore the universe has a cause.

Anyone want to guess the logical fallacy?

 

[Yahweh]

Ian's stupidity is wearing me down. go away troll!

 

[Ratman_tf]

IF god exists, and IF god is omnipotent, then nothing is impossible.

But I personally don't believe there's any evidence of that.