GM and the UAW

Presumably they should not agree to a deal that was bad for the company, because the union workers depend on the company being prosperous as well. It really does seem clear that neither were acting in their best interests. The union for asking for something GM couldn't sustain, and GM for agreeing to something they couldn't sustain. Surely there's a better way.
 
If GM was "forced" to make concessions (and I'd argue they aren't forced to do anything) knowing they would prove fatal, they're fools and deserve to fail.

This isn't to let the union off the hook, either. In this case, they have enough power to bargain their employer (and themselves) into oblivion, and seem to feel no remorse doing so.

Then again, if you ask your boss for the moon and stars, and he agrees, you might wonder if you shouldn't have asked for more. After all, you'd think the boss knows a thing or two about running a successful business, and could afford to pay the new wages you just asked for and recieved.
 
There is no way GM could have just said hey we are doing this automation thing whether you like it or not. There would have been strikes which probably would have devastated the company. Keeping things the way they were probably wasn't going to work out too well either.
 
There is no way GM could have just said hey we are doing this automation thing whether you like it or not. There would have been strikes which probably would have devastated the company.

Could have saved the company, too, now that we're playing "what if?". Though automation might not have helped if the machines turned out the same old crappy cars nobody wants to buy.
 
It seems clear that unions sometimes abuse their negotiating power. Is it better if only management can abuse their negotiating power?
 
It seems clear that unions sometimes abuse their negotiating power. Is it better if only management can abuse their negotiating power?

Unions can only abuse their power if the management isn't very competant. If the management is any good the workers will tend to side with it against the union if the union does something silly.
 
GM has these things called rubber rooms. This is where they send workers they have zero use for but can't fire because of the union. However the workers have to show up somewhere for 8 hours in order to get paid. So they sit in these rooms, so called because after 8 hours just sitting there you will go crazy. Kind of hard to make money when you literally pay employee's to sit around and do nothing.

BULLFLOP! How can you have zero use for an employee??

Ford and Dodge deal with the same unions and arent facing the same problems. The difference is that they have better management.
 
BULLFLOP! How can you have zero use for an employee??

Ford and Dodge deal with the same unions and arent facing the same problems. The difference is that they have better management.
Bullflop yourself.

Ford is in big trouble.

I don't think Daimler-Benz is making big bucks w/ Chrysler either.
 
The article says nothing about labour prices bringing them down.

How are car companies doing in general?

Timmy, I own 200 shares of Ford (thank God no more than that!) and they've been in a death spiral for years now. I've been banking on them turning it around, and it looks like they may have hit rock-bottom and are starting back. But it comes down to revenues and expenses.

Sales in the US are down. Way down. If not for the European market, Ford would have shown a big loss this year (that's right, they ARE still profitable - barely - across all segments).

You can point a lot of fingers for soft sales: poor innovation, crappy marketing, lousy debt structuring, etc. but the bottom line is people buy cars on quality and reliability. American cars - built by union labor - suffer from quality issues, and just as importantly, from a PERCEPTION of quality issues.

It's true at Ford and GM, and to a lesser extent Chrysler (though that's more German than American now, for all intents and purposes).

So where do you cut costs to preserve your margins and hope for a market realignment? Simple, it's physical plant and employees. Which is why the stock prices react so positively to word of layoffs and shutdowns... because the market knows that it's necessary, even if the UAW doesn't.
 
QT2D-7 said it began to fear for its position in January, when 23.954 percent of its robot colleagues were set to standby and 12.021 percent were powered down altogether. But the dearth of manufacturing jobs in Canton, coupled with QT2D-7's inability to deviate from its machine-language protocol, left it helpless to adapt.

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/30735
 

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