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Ghosts, Spirits, and Angels

Dhaos Knight

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Most people dont beleive in ghosts or spirits, yet how do we explain angels and demons? Angels and Demons have no phsycial form yet they can move things like ghosts can, and can talk to us like spirits even if we cant hear them. There is evidence that ghosts do exist, as well as other paranormal spirits. I'm currently gathering evidence to prove they exist but in a sense that all they are or have been is memories that have taken forms in reality and that people are seeing things.
 
Otherwordly spirits, be they ghosts, angels, demons, or little blue men from the hollow earth, are possible.

There's simply no evidence that I've seen as yet, that can't be explained by science and psychology.

However, I, and I'm sure everyone else, would be interested in this evidence you claim to have. I'm also going to suggest applying for the prize, unless someone else is posting at the same time and beats me to it. :sigh:
 
Dhaos Knight said:
I'm currently gathering evidence to prove they exist but in a sense that all they are or have been is memories that have taken forms in reality and that people are seeing things.
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Spirits are "memories that have taken forms in reality" or "people are seeing things" ?
 
I have talked with people who said they have seen rooms in their homes which arent theirs, for example, a room could have furniture from the 1700's and some one would be in there but then it would vanish as soon as they go in. A house in Spain or Portugal, had faces appear on the kitchen floor. some people claim to have seen horse men in the south asking for directions to a town, and just as they appeared they vanish with out a trace. The inventor of Ghost water or Paint thiner as its now known, saw faces on the interior of his houses walls and made ghost water to remove them.

its tempting to try for the prize but im not going to. i dont want to make my self look like a fool. im not psychic, im loonatic.
 
Dhaos Knight said:
its tempting to try for the prize but im not going to. i dont want to make my self look like a fool. im not psychic, im loonatic.
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... if you say so...
 
Dhaos Knight said:
Most people dont beleive in ghosts or spirits, yet how do we explain angels and demons? Angels and Demons have no phsycial form yet they can move things like ghosts can, and can talk to us like spirits even if we cant hear them. There is evidence that ghosts do exist, as well as other paranormal spirits. I'm currently gathering evidence to prove they exist but in a sense that all they are or have been is memories that have taken forms in reality and that people are seeing things.
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Evidence would be good.

So far I haven't seen any compelling evidence for ghosts, spirits, demons or angels 'existing', or moving objects, etc. As someone else pointed out that doesn't mean they don't exist obviously...but I personally have doubts considering there's no compelling evidence despite long standing beliefs in various cultures about such things. You'd expect there'd be at least SOME compelling evidence in such a long period of time. But newp, haven't seen any. =\

So using the "well how do we explain angels and demons then" argument to prop up ghosts and spirits doesn't really work...when there's no compelling evidence (that I've ever seen) for angels or demons either. (Or them moving things, speaking to people, etc.)

I'll grant you that more people in the US believe in 'angels' versus ghosts (especially based on a survey I saw not long ago, I think in Time Magazine...ugh so depressing) but belief doesn't make it so. Otherwise Santa Claus would really be at the North Pole making toys for children, based on how many kids believe in him. :D

Anyway if you have any evidence to offer to support the claim that ghosts, spirits, demons, angels, or even little grey men are real...I know I'd love to see it. I'm pretty sure most other people around here would be interested too. :)

Unfortunately all the evidence I've ever seen hasn't been very compelling. It's either subjective eyewitness stories ("I saw it move down the hall! I felt a cold spot!") or things that can be explained using more mundane reasoning: doors slamming (ghosts? or the breeze through the house which makes the door slam when no windows are open and there's a breeze) cold spots (ghosts? or the AC vent aimed at that spot), noises (ghosts? or the fact that the house is 80 years old with a wood frame and all the noises are similar to other homes in the same style, build, age.) Etc. etc. etc.

I really would love to see something new and compelling, but the stuff I have seen (or heard of, or read) so far isn't blowing my skirt up. ;)
 
There is evidence that ghosts do exist, as well as other paranormal spirits
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Well what is it, i have yet to see anything compelling. Without this the rest of your post is kinda irrelevant.

Welcome to the board :)
 
The inventor of Ghost water or Paint thiner as its now known, saw faces on the interior of his houses walls and made ghost water to remove them.
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If you spent your day around paint thinner you might start seeing faces on the walls too... :D

David
 
Normally I resort to flippant remarks on this board, but only because I'm pretty impatient with certain types of people. Let me be serious a bit and use a personal anecdote to make a point.

My 'Paranormal' Experience

A few years ago I suddenly 'remembered' a paranormal event I had witnessed and forgotten from several years prior.

It was early afternoon and I vividly recall walking down the hall of my home into the living room. On entering, I was surprised to see a figure standing there in the center of the room. The form was very tall, slim. No features or even depth to the form could be discerned, though it was of a human shape. It was somewhat brownish in hue and was visible only by the distortion its presence caused. From the silohuette of the form I could see that it was not looking in my direction, but then I had the impression it became aware of me. The form then ran quickly to the left and into the kitchen, where I lost track of it when it went around the corner. I spent the rest of the day nervous, twitching at every little noise and eventually slept with the lights on.

Now in describing the event it could be said that I was visited by a ghost or alien or any other of several unnatural beings. I have a perfect, crystal clear memory of the event happening. I know how old I was and what time of year it was. I remember what i was wearing.

But here is the thing....how could such a huge event be 'forgotten' for so many years and then remembered? I was and still am very much a non-believer in the supernatural. I doubt that I would forget or supress such a meeting if it occured, as it would change my life. The after-life or aliens? I'd welcome proof of such things if they existed.

I have no doubt then and now that what I 'remembered' was in fact a very vivid dream that I probably had experienced recently. The dream, because of the way it played its content, left me with the impression that it had happened years before. I was fooled into thinking I was recalling a forgotten time. It felt much like Deja Vu, where the brain edits an event to convince itself into thinking it was experiencing it all over again.

This I think is what happens to many people (other than the disturbed) that believe they see supernatural beings or aliens. The mind has a great capacity for self-deception and re-writes itself often, even if unintentionally.
 
davidhorman said:
If you spent your day around paint thinner you might start seeing faces on the walls too... :D
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my thoughts exactly. so far all i have heard are stories and myths about all of it. one person whom I used to know thought he could pass off a ghost story to me. This is part of the reason i am no longer his friend. he thought that throwing a white sheet over his head and walking towards me would make me think he was a ghost. well, he thought wrong, his girl friend bless her heart, handed me a pillow and blind folded me and said he was a pinyata. you can tell what I did to him. Besides most stories ive heard about little grey men are aliens. BAH! aliens my ***! if they exist the would come up to some one and go "WAZZAP!" or something similar to that effect. Angels are supposed to be real, your heard all the common ones, Messengers, Gaurdian angels, ect. my point being about ghosts is that there never is evidence! maybe some sound recordings but thats nothing to go off of. ive read books on psychics, ghosts, aliens, but nothing compares to what i have heard people say happen. some of its too funny. one person saw big foot! OH MY! big foot! wow! theres no evidnce of him either, much less alone of dracula, were wolves and other things like a chubacabra. 'Ghosts' tend to be unpredictible, yet when i see something like a ghost occurence happen i normally find some kind of wireing set up to a small computer so it happens at random times. real ghost stories are fun untill they are exposed. yes i belive ghosts exist, but only in my head.
 
Dhaos Knight said:
here is some stuff you can see if you want to know more. http://jkcinema.com/gamesmov.asp?type=5
they have some pretty wacked stuff there. be warned.
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Considering the long, long list of "wacked" things I have seen on the internet, the silliness on that site doesn't even warrant an 'also ran'.

And as for the Ghosts segment...

I've pulled scarier stuff out of my navel. :rolleyes:
 
Ooookay, kiddo. Remember at dinner a while back, you asked if you could sign up for JREF? Remember what I said then: "You're going to be asked for FACTS."

Sorry. But I tend to doubt ANYTHING that comes from a Time-Life book.

Love you, son. But, if you're going to be here, you have to play by the rules.
 
if you have pulled scareier stuff from there then i dont wanna ask what it is.... as for the ghosts, there dont seem to be hard facts or evidence to prove they exist. ive seen some things blur before my eyes but nothing to call a ghost. the only kind of ghost i would be worried about is barneys..... *shivers slightly at the thought of it* ugh, i dont even wanna think about that one!
 
There is no such things as ghost.
If there is, it isn't real. Just a figment of imagination.

But there is "fear".

And there is "danger" and the sense of it.
 
Which was it; Spain or Portugal?

If we can't get the country right, we have to wonder how reliable is the rest of the story.
 
spain, i had to watch the clip where i saw it first. interesting peoples minds play so many tricks on them it seems yet, the concrete had no evidence of tampering. how can it not be real unless it was painted on the floor and it sank into the concrete.

some times i think ghosts are real. i cant explain it, but on occassion at night when i half asleep i see some one sleeping infront of me. i dont know who it is, but damn she has one fine body. i can reach my hand around and it feels like shes there, i never see her face, just her back and the back of her head. she reminds me of some one i knew a few years ago for some reason, but when i open my eyes all the way, shes gone. like she was never there.

is it a ghost or is my mind messed up?
 
Dhaos Knight said:
Most people dont beleive in ghosts or spirits, yet how do we explain angels and demons?
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Why do you think the evidence for angels and demons is better than that for ghosts and spirits? You say:

Angels and Demons have no phsycial form yet they can move things like ghosts can, and can talk to us like spirits even if we cant hear them
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... why would you assume that it wasn't just a ghost pretending to be a demon?
 
I'm not likely to invest belief in any sort of non-physical creature till someone comes up with a model that would allow consciousness to exist without a brain.
 
Dhaos Knight said:
some times i think ghosts are real. i cant explain it, but on occassion at night when i half asleep i see some one sleeping infront of me. i dont know who it is, but damn she has one fine body. i can reach my hand around and it feels like shes there, i never see her face, just her back and the back of her head. she reminds me of some one i knew a few years ago for some reason, but when i open my eyes all the way, shes gone. like she was never there.

is it a ghost or is my mind messed up?
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Could be Aware Sleep Paralysis:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q="aware+sleep+paralysis"
 
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