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GERALD EPLING - Shimmering Leaf Inventor

If it is a cohort egg, it should be on the lookout and warn the other egg what horrible fate is about to occur.

You should blindfold that other egg (or wrap a blindfold around both eggs, for a true double-blind test).
 
Ririon said:
How do you propose to tell apart these two devices:

1. A badly constructed egg detector that sometimes detects an egg after a while depending on the electromagnetic noise in the room.

2. A device that sometimes detects the subtle feelings of an egg after a while apparently depending on the electromagnetic noise in the room.
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You dont have to. If it hits every time there is a real egg in the box and a real egg being boiled within proximity he wins. If it hits with a decoy in the deivce and/or just boiling water he loses. The test can be done enough times to rule out chance.

If more than one device is available it will speed things up. Line up 3 of them and put 0-3 real eggs in them. He will not know if any real eggs are used or where they are at.

If he can build a device that differentiates between raw or boiled/scrambled in the shell eggs but only works with a pot of boiling water within a certain radius and only when a raw egg is in the boiling water I will be impressed.

If it only detects eggs or is set off by boiling water it will give false hits. If it only hits when a live victim egg is place in the boiling water under the exact same conditions and hits %100 of the time he wins.

Its not about if the device can detect a egg in the cradle. It would have to detect if a real egg is being boiled in the pot.
 
Ririon said:
Hammer VS boiling water? ... But a hammer is easier and more fun. :)
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A hammer? Seems to me that a scrambled egg is as cooked as a boiled egg. Just tap it on the edge of a hot skillet, mix with milk, a little chopped onion, and some melted butter. No blunt force tools required. Of course, the onion juice might make the cohort egg cry, which would cause a false positive...
 
Anti_Hypeman said:
You dont have to. If it hits every time there is a real egg in the box and a real egg being boiled within proximity he wins. If it hits with a decoy in the deivce and/or just boiling water he loses. The test can be done enough times to rule out chance.

If more than one device is available it will speed things up. Line up 3 of them and put 0-3 real eggs in them. He will not know if any real eggs are used or where they are at.

If he can build a device that differentiates between raw or boiled/scrambled in the shell eggs but only works with a pot of boiling water within a certain radius and only when a raw egg is in the boiling water I will be impressed.

If it only detects eggs or is set off by boiling water it will give false hits. If it only hits when a live victim egg is place in the boiling water under the exact same conditions and hits %100 of the time he wins.

Its not about if the device can detect a egg in the cradle. It would have to detect if a real egg is being boiled in the pot.
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I get it. We were just using slightly different definitions for "egg detector".

Anyway. To continue being serious about this... You do not need a 100 % hit rate to win. Just statistically significantly more than chance dictates. A weak and unreliable effect can win the price if it really exists. It just takes a little more hard work, since you need a larger sample size than a "100 %"-effect would require. Since these tests are apparently both slow and unreliable, they would probably take forever. :(
 
Ok,

So the issue here is how to determine whether or not the egg can sense someone's intent. Any attempt to do this becomes muddied if participants actually know the full nature of the experiment. In essence, if they know they're not supposed to think about hurting the egg, it's almost inevitible they'll have images of scrambled eggs in mind at some point.

So here's a proposal:

Place the egg, along with the shimmering leaf, in a box with a lid.

Create several instruction notes with the following instructions:

1 Note will say: Open the box on the table in the center of the room and smash the egg.
9 Notes will say: Open the box on the table in the center of the room and feel the egg within.

Place these notes, folded, into a basket near the entrance to the room.

Have particpants enter the room, unaware as to the nature of the experiment. Upon entering, they will pull a note at random from the basket/box and act accordingly.

If the shimmering leaf works as advertised, the Egg won't make a peep until the participant with the "smash the egg" note arrives.

Obviously, if the first participant draws the "smash" note, it would probably be a good idea to conduct the expirement more than once.

Eric-
 
You need to do the test run 10+ times. Instead of notes you have two boxes. One with a note and an egg. The note says count to 10 aloud and slowly and then smash the egg. The other with only a note that says 'Count to 10 aloud and slowly.'

If the person in the next room can say if there is an egg in the box before the person counts to 10 then 13 out of 14 times then they pass the test.

Or 10 out of 10 will do.

Do not forget the open test first.
 
What happens if you get an antisocial egg? Say for example you pick the one bad egg that couldn't care less whatever happens to his eggmates. Would this signal a failure or could an uncooperative subject be used as an excuse for a get out?
 
Every time I read this thread I'm reminded of the Robot stories by Isaac Asimov, particularly 'Little Lost Robot' - where one robot can detect gamma rays (? - I think) that others can't.

I have visions of a little egg bouncing up and down complaining that someone is hurting his friend....
 
RobM said:
What happens if you get an antisocial egg? Say for example you pick the one bad egg that couldn't care less whatever happens to his eggmates. Would this signal a failure or could an uncooperative subject be used as an excuse for a get out?
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Or you get a batch of overly-shy eggs which sense bad intent all the time.

Or psychotic eggs whose perception of "intent to harm" changes from mimute to minute!

The whole thing is so patently asinine.

After decades of dealing with this sort of absurdity, it's no wonder Mr. Randi is sometimes on a short fuse with these people.
 
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