Galloway is back

[Craig B]

I wouldn't have thought so, not least because there are no votes in it.

Yes I agree. What there are votes in, as regards the constituency in which he is interested, is theatrical gestures of solidarity for the beleaguered people of Gaza. These he duly provides.

It is much like a politician seeking Jewish votes, making similar gestures in relation to some worthy cause in Israel, say charitable work in relation to disease or poverty. That person would need to have dealings with Likud, as governing party. But the person would not necessarily be signing up to the expansion of illegal settlements. So with Galloway and the governing party in Gaza. I don't think he approves of mass terrorism or religious bigotry. But it is discreditable enough that he involves himself in such contacts to further his ambitions.

 

[Craig B]

You mean this one? "What do you think of Evangelical Christian or Jewish religious maniacs giving donations to illegal settlements in the occupied territories? That's a comparable misdeed on the ultra-Zionist side."

It depends, do you consider annexed Jerusalem to be an illegal settlement?

And no, I don't think donating money to settlements is comparable to giving money to a genocidal terrorists. I guess I'm funny that way.

Israel will forcibly evict those hilltop settlements deep into the West Bank in a genuine peace deal, just as they did in Gaza. But then, look at how Gaza turned out.


Galloway's goal is whatever is good for Galloway at the moment, and if that means handing sacks of cash to a self-proclaimed genocidal and widely declared terrorist group so be it.

Annexation of East Jerusalem is illegal, and eviction of residents there to replace them with Zionist settlers is an illegal settlement.

As to a genuine peace deal: as the settlements are illegal, it is necessary to remove them, and at the very least not expand them, in order to restore legitimacy, not as part of any peace deal. If I steal from you, I must give back my loot, regardless of whether I have other grievances against you, legitimate or not.

The settlement must impose peace and define boundaries. In any case these could and ought to be the 1967 lines. But restitution of illegal booty by both sides must take place independently of any general settlement. Anything else is blackmail.

I would like to think the settlements will be removed, even as part of a peace settlement, but regrettably I don't believe that recent Israeli governments want peace. Given their dependence on the support of the Christian Right in the USA, who will tolerate no peace, because they want Israel to unleash Armageddon, I regrettably consider that continued war, and the expulsion of Palestinians from any area on which the Zionists cast their eyes, is much more probable. I wish I thought otherwise.

 

[funk de fino]

If he did that, it's most certainly not OK. What does whether I like MEMRI or not have to do with my disapproval of such acts by Galloway, if he has committed them? If Galloway stopped doing such things, assuming he is, then would that make MEMRI more sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinians? Have I not repeatedly stated that I oppose Galloway in most of his political initiatives? What are you talking about?

They want us so much to be Galloway supporters. Its black and white with them. "You are either with us 100% or you're one of them"

Utterly pathetic.

 

[funk de fino]

He gave it to Hamas, and attacking civilians and committing other war crimes is pretty much what Hamas does. Their stated goal is genocide of the Jews.

Would you like to see a video of Galloway declaring his solidarity with Hamas?

Many in the USA gave money to the IRA/SinnFein. What's the difference between the 2?

Think on that.

 

[funk de fino]

Galloway - Rants and rails against Israeli policies and their acts against the people of Gaza etc. He rants against Zionists.

Many posters here - Rant against islamists, muslim countries policies, the basic belief systems in Islam, the culture of Muslim countries.

Anyone who states that Galloway is a Jew hater must also say that many posters here are Muslim haters.

He is a complete and utter twat. A nothing. The hysteria levels that the usual mob here get worked up about him is hilarious.

 

[funk de fino]

I haven't made anything up. I am simply discussing the allegation that you fabricated, that I said Galloway was a Holocaust denier. What I actually said we only have his word that a specific exchange of views took place (fact) and that you are naive to take on face value the words of a man such as Galloway whose walk is so at odds with his talk. Also fact.

Why dont you email him at the Daily record and let us know what he says?

He'd hate his own granny if it got him one step up the ladder of power.

Not just because she was a granny though.

 

[WildCat]

Many in the USA gave money to the IRA/SinnFein. What's the difference between the 2?

Think on that.

There's no difference, what makes you think I'd support that?

If you have names, feel free to report them to the FBI.

 

[trustbutverify]

Why the heavy sarcasm? Do you not consider it reasonable to be disappointed in socialists who set up communes on occupied, or even, as in one case, illegally-annexed land? Why do you dismiss this concern with such contempt?

I don't have any contempt for concern over these historical events. I just don't see where it fits into the matter we were discussing; the statements of anti-Zionists presented by MEMRI. My sarcasm was over the top so I apologise for it.

Indeed. And what is their and your view of the settlements in the occupied territories?

I am against them. The Zio/Progs I've know seem to be uniformly against them. The rest you'd have to ask yourself.

On the other hand, you like MEMRI "quite a bit", as we have established. That is very odd. These people are generally agreed to be enemies of the peace process,...

It's not "odd" at all. MEMRI's function has nothing to do with advancing or resisting the peace process. It's to expose some of the rank hypocrisy, racist drivel and moronic conspiracy theories produced by much of the anti-Zionist movement, especially in the ME. IMO, they do it very well.

and they have repeatedly been accused of slanting their propaganda in the cause of subverting it.

Every journalistic advocate who has ever existed has been accused of exactly the same thing, often justifiably so. Goes with the territory. When MEMRI fumbles context or translation, whether accidently or on purpose, they deserve to get roasted for it...and they do, to the point of exhaustion. Same as every editorial board, political campaign, etc... I think they stack up well compared to their opposite numbers in this regard.

You have told me what forms of anti-Zionism you find illegitimate. Can you now inform me what manner of opposition to Zionism you consider to be acceptable,...

Sure. Anti-Zionists who make reasoned arguments without resorting to thinly veiled blood libels or moronic conspiracy theories are perfectly acceptable.

... and how that fits with your "quite a bit" admiration for MEMRI?

You lost me here.

 

[funk de fino]

There's no difference, what makes you think I'd support that?

If you have names, feel free to report them to the FBI.

The difference between IRA and Sinn Fein.

 

[Toontown]

Up Galloway, and the weak-assed hellhole that spawned him.

 

[Virus]

The difference between IRA and Sinn Fein.

A useful fiction to bring them to the negotiating table while letting them save face. Nobody actually believed there was a terrorist and political wing that didn't know what the other side was doing.

 

[funk de fino]

A useful fiction to bring them to the negotiating table while letting them save face. Nobody actually believed there was a terrorist and political wing that didn't know what the other side was doing.

Well guess what?